Today marks a significant milestone anniversary for a significant release by SP

[eviltimeban]

Originally Posted by Raskolnikov

Will forever upload this video until all deep state operatives have this MPG on their hard drives:

https://we.tl/t-YnStBKylRB

Today is my first time seeing this. Wh...at? I'd heard about a "choir", even if they were a Mormon choir, but I thought, well choirs are always good right? They always add something to songs.

But this... they didn't add anything! It was like they couldn't sing. The two little girls looked terrified.

[Joey Goldberg]

anyone else actually saw that live on TV as it was happening? it was somehow even more disturbing "in the moment"

[MyKeyZ]

What it feels like watching that Leno performance...

[TheAlter]

Willie was still very much into Zwan mode around this time. Aesthetically speaking at least. Also, funny to think Zwan had more original SP members than this version of SP.

[New Art Rioter]

Strawberry's Mormon choir = the absolute bottom of the barrel low moment for the band. Maybe either that or the Owata video, can't think of a worse point off the top of my head.

[eviltimeban]

Originally Posted by New Art Rioter

Strawberry's Mormon choir = the absolute bottom of the barrel low moment for the band. Maybe either that or the Owata video, can't think of a worse point off the top of my head.

There's been several:
- The 12 year old drummer
- going on tour with those guys from the Killers and calling *that* SP
- Solara video
- "Because people like you ask for it"
- Tommy Lee on drums (that was pretty awesome, but it was NOT the Pumpkins)
- Woh woh woh woh-woh wohhhh

[run2pee]

Originally Posted by TheAlter

Willie was still very much into Zwan mode around this time. Aesthetically speaking at least. Also, funny to think Zwan had more original SP members than this version of SP.

[Unicycle]

Originally Posted by New Art Rioter

Strawberry's Mormon choir = the absolute bottom of the barrel low moment for the band. Maybe either that or the Owata video, can't think of a worse point off the top of my head.

Billy's love of wrestling is so baffling to me, I'd never guess in a million years a guy like him would be into it, let alone involved in it to the extent he currently is. 70% of his IG content is wrestling focused now and it clashes so hard with the SP aesthetic that it just comes off as bizarre. What's the overlap between SP fans and wrasslin' fans? Who watched the Owata video and thought "oh yeah, great idea Billy"?

[Joey Goldberg]

he did

William Parsnip Corgan

[slunken]

Originally Posted by Unicycle

Billy's love of wrestling is so baffling to me, I'd never guess in a million years a guy like him would be into it, let alone involved in it to the extent he currently is.

i work w/ an older wrestling fan. he's probably paraphrasing someone else but he told me its a thing you pick up as a child and either you drop it at some point as a teen or your love for it keeps growing to the point where the actual "wrestling" has very little to do w/ why you continue to love it. :shrug:

[slunken]

he likened it to a soap opera that was written by deranged soap opera fan fiction writers

[Disco King]

Originally Posted by Unicycle

Billy's love of wrestling is so baffling to me, I'd never guess in a million years a guy like him would be into it, let alone involved in it to the extent he currently is. 70% of his IG content is wrestling focused now and it clashes so hard with the SP aesthetic that it just comes off as bizarre. What's the overlap between SP fans and wrasslin' fans? Who watched the Owata video and thought "oh yeah, great idea Billy"?

Maybe he's just a human who likes things, and that not everything that he likes should be expected to conform with a very specific impression of him people get from his stage persona in a band he's in.

Out of all the weird things about Corgan, I don't get why people get hung up on the wrestling thing.

[Unicycle]

I guess it's less about him being into wrestling and moreso his willingness to let it sort of blend together with the SP stuff. In my mind I'm imagining Thom Yorke trying to leverage his Radiohead fame to pump up his puppet show ventures or something.

In reality, who gives a fuck, which is fair, but it's a good indicator of how insular things have become in the SP world. I guess I'm just noticing now how much more of a BC vanity project things have become in the past ten years than I originally thought.

[Shallowed]

Originally Posted by eviltimeban

Solara video

Solara gave us this criminally underappreciated gif

[reprise85]

Originally Posted by Unicycle

In my mind I'm imagining Thom Yorke trying to leverage his Radiohead fame to pump up his puppet show ventures or something.

lol remember the puppet show billy did featuring robert smith and james iha wrestling dolls?

[New Art Rioter]

Originally Posted by eviltimeban

There's been several:
- The 12 year old drummer
- going on tour with those guys from the Killers and calling *that* SP
- Solara video
- "Because people like you ask for it"
- Tommy Lee on drums (that was pretty awesome, but it was NOT the Pumpkins)
- Woh woh woh woh-woh wohhhh

Most of those are questionable but not flat out bad... all embarrassing yes

Actually the Solara video was totally awful, think that was the last crushing of hope that James returning might stop terrible things being released

[brothahi4L]

Widow is a low-point of many.

People don´t give shit about Willy´s announcements cause he changes his opinions and plans on a daily basis.

Long live crygarden

[eviltimeban]

Originally Posted by Unicycle

Billy's love of wrestling is so baffling to me, I'd never guess in a million years a guy like him would be into it, let alone involved in it to the extent he currently is. 70% of his IG content is wrestling focused now and it clashes so hard with the SP aesthetic that it just comes off as bizarre. What's the overlap between SP fans and wrasslin' fans? Who watched the Owata video and thought "oh yeah, great idea Billy"?

I can ignore the wrestling thing as he can like whatever he wants, but more than 70% of his posts now are about wrestling. Across all his channels. It would be better if he just kept it to one.

[ninsp]

Mormon choir Widow might just be my favorite SP performance of all time
Maybe by any band ever
Truly revolutionary

[Cool As Ice Cream]

absolutely groundbreaking?

[themadcaplaughs]

Originally Posted by Shallowed

Solara gave us this criminally underappreciated gif

My reaction to CYR.

[Joey Goldberg]

Originally Posted by Cool As Ice Cream

absolutely groundbreaking?

the ultimate indie groundswell

[enthusaroo]

I decided to convert to Mormonism after watching that video

Cry is and was definitely the low point of the band. Will be hard to top.. but surely Billy will find a way.

[Big Truck05]

Leave Billy alone. He's allowed to like anything he wants!

[Shallowed]

https://twitter.com/SmashingPumpkin/...811522563?s=19

[Joey Goldberg]

that's the most random thing i've seen this decade so far without a moment's hesitation

[eviltimeban]

Oceania is a decent album. Certainly compared to what's come after it.

[killtrocity]

This is without a doubt the worst song that SP ever produced

[Joey Goldberg]

i still haven't listened to CYR in full but i'd wager there's probably something on there that i liked less than Winslow Take My Dime

[Funbags]

Untr00 fan alert.

Billy got into wrestling when he was living with his grandmother iirc. I would presume his renewed interest comes from wanting to connect with good childhood memories. But buying an indie wrestling franchise seems a bit excessive.