oddsmakers: Billy Corgan redeems self, becomes respected rock and roll legend by 2020

Trotskilicious · 11-23-2010, 10:19 PM

over!

slunken · 11-23-2010, 10:52 PM

i wish

redbreegull · 11-24-2010, 12:10 AM

There have been other artists who have gone to shit (for years) and then redeemed themselves.

Not saying it is likely, but it is possible.

Trotskilicious · 11-24-2010, 12:30 AM

but exactly how possible

before or after 2020!

BEFORE!

Rider · 11-24-2010, 12:31 AM

At this point he has shit so large that his legacy won't even get him into the lame ass hall of fame.

Rider · 11-24-2010, 12:33 AM

and by that I mean both the hall of fame for lame asses and the lame rock and roll hall of fame.

vbshlofbvgos · 11-24-2010, 01:15 AM

i think he'll be respected more after he dies because then we'll just have the music and won't have to deal with him being a douchebag anymore

redbull · 11-24-2010, 01:19 AM

hall of lame

SpFission · 11-24-2010, 01:20 AM

If Teargarden keeps improving...I don't think he has anything to worry about. It's just icing on the cake.

1991 to 1998 already pretty much solidified that status.

RenewRevive · 11-24-2010, 11:20 AM

unlikely. SP and Corgan don't have the indie or punk credentials to be regarded as such by those who decide such things.

but it is irrelevant anyway. all the legends produced a lot of shit material or peaked for a relatively short period followed by mediocrity or are just plain overrated.

Trotskilicious · 11-24-2010, 11:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rider

At this point he has shit so large that his legacy won't even get him into the lame ass hall of fame.

wrong

michael vick was a monster 2 years ago now people are rooting for him

Trotskilicious · 11-24-2010, 11:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RenewRevive

but it is irrelevant anyway. all the legends produced a lot of shit material or peaked for a relatively short period followed by mediocrity or are just plain overrated.

yeah you don't sound bitter or jealous or anything

dudehitscar · 11-24-2010, 11:55 AM

just wait for the generation that was in teens and 20s in the 90s to get old, fat, and rich.. they will throw money at anything with nostalgic value just like the boomers are doing now. Probably with the same lame results too. Remember The Who playing the superbowl last year... I pray that I don't see a 60 year old Corgan wheezing out Bullet at the Superbowl when the whole economy revolves around our wealth.

Trotskilicious · 11-24-2010, 12:08 PM

dude we're all going to be living in favelas by 2030

billy could be your slum neighbor

redbreegull · 11-24-2010, 12:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rider

At this point he has shit so large that his legacy won't even get him into the lame ass hall of fame.

Untrue, most people don't have any idea that he is even still making music, let alone that it sucks.

Trotskilicious · 11-24-2010, 01:47 PM

also a great point.

Venom · 11-24-2010, 02:04 PM

It'll only happen if he has a nervous breakdown, gives up his spiritual beliefs and begins to have suicidal thoughts. Only then will he make some magic.... or die (possibly from some disease?), not sure yet. Let's hope for the former.

RenewRevive · 11-24-2010, 03:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trotskilicious

yeah you don't sound bitter or jealous or anything

trust me, i'm not trots.

sppunk · 11-24-2010, 04:07 PM

I don't know tons about Elvis, but would Corgan's demise similar to Elvis' lead to a similar result among fans? Elvis produced loads of utter shit, especially leading up to his death.

No way are they comparable popularity wise, but among SP fans/casual listeners I'd think results would be close.

seign · 11-24-2010, 06:00 PM

I've actually thought about this before. Billy is too prolific for this to NOT happen. Someday, Billy will release something that the critics will fall in love with again. He has it in him. Dude is responsible for Gish, Mellon Collie, TAFH and fucking Siamese Dream. It will happen.

Personally, I'm still a sucker for most stuff Corgan related. It's just ingrained in my DNA or something. At the same time, I get why some are turned off by him/ his music. But I still think he has at least one great album left in him. And by great I mean, almost universally accepted like SD and MellonCollie.

The Jesus · 11-24-2010, 06:32 PM

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11-24-2010, 12:10 AM	#3
redbreegull Just Hook it to My Veins! Location: N3t4Euh Haus Posts: 32,749	There have been other artists who have gone to shit (for years) and then redeemed themselves. Not saying it is likely, but it is possible.

11-24-2010, 12:30 AM	#4
Trotskilicious Banned Location: I believe in the transcendental qualities of friendship. Posts: 39,439	but exactly how possible before or after 2020! BEFORE!

11-24-2010, 12:31 AM	#5
Rider Minion of Satan Location: I was born a snake handler, and I'll die a snake handler Posts: 9,517	At this point he has shit so large that his legacy won't even get him into the lame ass hall of fame.

11-24-2010, 12:33 AM	#6
Rider Minion of Satan Location: I was born a snake handler, and I'll die a snake handler Posts: 9,517	and by that I mean both the hall of fame for lame asses and the lame rock and roll hall of fame.

11-24-2010, 01:15 AM	#7
vbshlofbvgos Apocalyptic Poster Posts: 1,613	i think he'll be respected more after he dies because then we'll just have the music and won't have to deal with him being a douchebag anymore

11-24-2010, 01:19 AM	#8
redbull Immortal Location: like liutenant dan i'm rollin' Posts: 21,016	hall of lame

11-24-2010, 01:20 AM	#9
SpFission Apocalyptic Poster Posts: 2,999	If Teargarden keeps improving...I don't think he has anything to worry about. It's just icing on the cake. 1991 to 1998 already pretty much solidified that status.

11-24-2010, 11:20 AM	#10
RenewRevive Minion of Satan Location: Welcome to the real world jackass Posts: 5,056	unlikely. SP and Corgan don't have the indie or punk credentials to be regarded as such by those who decide such things. but it is irrelevant anyway. all the legends produced a lot of shit material or peaked for a relatively short period followed by mediocrity or are just plain overrated.

11-24-2010, 11:55 AM	#13
dudehitscar Apocalyptic Poster Posts: 2,652	just wait for the generation that was in teens and 20s in the 90s to get old, fat, and rich.. they will throw money at anything with nostalgic value just like the boomers are doing now. Probably with the same lame results too. Remember The Who playing the superbowl last year... I pray that I don't see a 60 year old Corgan wheezing out Bullet at the Superbowl when the whole economy revolves around our wealth.

11-24-2010, 12:08 PM	#14
Trotskilicious Banned Location: I believe in the transcendental qualities of friendship. Posts: 39,439	dude we're all going to be living in favelas by 2030 billy could be your slum neighbor

11-23-2010, 10:52 PM	#2
slunken Virgo Posts: 42,781	i wish

11-24-2010, 01:47 PM	#16
Trotskilicious Banned Location: I believe in the transcendental qualities of friendship. Posts: 39,439	also a great point.

11-24-2010, 02:04 PM	#17
Venom Ownz Location: United States Posts: 859	It'll only happen if he has a nervous breakdown, gives up his spiritual beliefs and begins to have suicidal thoughts. Only then will he make some magic.... or die (possibly from some disease?), not sure yet. Let's hope for the former.

11-24-2010, 04:07 PM	#19
sppunk Netphoria's George Will Location: Fenway Park Posts: 37,109	I don't know tons about Elvis, but would Corgan's demise similar to Elvis' lead to a similar result among fans? Elvis produced loads of utter shit, especially leading up to his death. No way are they comparable popularity wise, but among SP fans/casual listeners I'd think results would be close.

11-24-2010, 06:00 PM	#20
seign Apocalyptic Poster Location: MD Posts: 2,769	I've actually thought about this before. Billy is too prolific for this to NOT happen. Someday, Billy will release something that the critics will fall in love with again. He has it in him. Dude is responsible for Gish, Mellon Collie, TAFH and fucking Siamese Dream. It will happen. Personally, I'm still a sucker for most stuff Corgan related. It's just ingrained in my DNA or something. At the same time, I get why some are turned off by him/ his music. But I still think he has at least one great album left in him. And by great I mean, almost universally accepted like SD and MellonCollie.