Butterfly Suite

[byoung88]

I'm getting a Mina Loy vibe a bit. Anyone else ? I sorta dig it.

[Forgotten Child]

No one else.
Just you.
You're special.
Congrats.
Hurray!

[NovaFritz]

Not surprising, coming from someone with a Walking Shade avatar.

Walking Shade: the first major BC disappointment.

[byoung88]

Originally Posted by NovaFritz

Not surprising, coming from someone with a Walking Shade avatar.

Walking Shade: the first major BC disappointment.

Haha. I enjoyed it! Guess I'm a mark.

[topleybird]

Originally Posted by Forgotten Child

No one else.
Just you.
You're special.
Congrats.
Hurray!

Uh, only the formulation Hooray! is allowed here from now on. Pumpkins camp is pissed... at you.

[Squish Squash]

Where can you hear this song

[Joey Goldberg]

should have been addressed in post one, really

unthinkable

really expected more from you, byoung88

really poor form...

[Joey Goldberg]

anyway here's mina loy

[inkless]

https://www.reddit.com/r/SmashingPum...eb2x&context=3

[Squish Squash]

More boring elevator music lol

[Disco King]

I only listened to the first little bit.

I mean, the sound they were going for is cool. Dark, psychy, Machina-like shit.

But the execution was awful. It's aimless. It sounded like the kind of noodling I do when I'm trying to come up with music by playing around in a scale, but haven't hit upon anything good yet.

[Disco King]

Whoops, I got this one confused with another new song they recently put out. The one that's Instrumental.

This one just sucks and has no redeeming qualities. Sorry.

[douglas78]

It does sound a little 'magoo'. Just when I think it's getting better, it gets worse.

[brothahi4L]

Butterfly is cringe..just the part with the guitars are good..but that is 30 seconds.....verse is so laughable....typical cyr tier

[enthusaroo]

The more times you listen to this song the worse it gets

[eviltimeban]

And considering this is the "Tonight Tonight" of the album... in terms of where it's placed.

[New Art Rioter]

Originally Posted by eviltimeban

And considering this is the "Tonight Tonight" of the album... in terms of where it's placed.

Imagine what the Lily / We Only Come Out At Night equivalent is going to be like! Shit is going to get pretty wacky in week 74 of the podcast

[incubator]

Originally Posted by New Art Rioter

Imagine what the Lily / We Only Come Out At Night equivalent is going to be like! Shit is going to get pretty wacky in week 74 of the podcast

The really interesting thing is Lily is Junes twin sister. The really, really interesting thing here is that they've never met. Actually Lily has met June but June has never met Lily. Still, they share a connection that's somewhere in between metaphysical and metaphorical. And what I mean by that is going to become clearer as we go on.

Anyway. When June went out into space to be near Shiny she didn't realise that her twin, her mirror image would also of course do the same thing. This isn't about any feelings Lily might have for Shiny. Lily is actually completely unaware of who he really is. Speaking from experience, that makes Lily extremely powerful. I might meet a million people who say your music did this for, your music made ME do this.. I rarely ever meet a Lily. So Lily going to space is one hundred percent about the mirror image relationship the twin sisters share, Lily being drawn to space by forces or feelings she doesn't fully understand.

So we're left with this.. I suppose.. love triangle of people who've never met with June of course having this intense, intense relationship with Shiny and then there's Shiny who.. and I think a few of you will be having a sort of "aha!" moment here.. Zero, then Glass, now Shiny has always loved or wanted Lily from afar and considered her his One and Only. So when Shinys ship pulls off to take him on the March of Life, June looks out of her spaceship window and she sees Lily, she thinks she's seeing herself. And in a way she is seeing herself. June is a version of herself that Shiny sees and that Shiny wants. A version that would've stopped Shiny from pushing those buttons and sealing his fate.

[Funbags]

Originally Posted by incubator

The really interesting thing is Lily is Junes twin sister.

Is this real? I CAN'T EVEN TELL ANYMORE.

[incubator]

Originally Posted by Funbags

Is this real? I CAN'T EVEN TELL ANYMORE.

A lot of people ask me that and, you know, I don't think that's the right question. Is it real? What is real? The point to me is does it feel real? I'm more interested in if the feeling of truth translates than truth itself because as you know truth is very fluid. It's incredibly malleable and subjective. In fact, if you go back 7,000 years the Sanskrit word for truth is satya. Today we say truth. It's completely different so you can see how the essence of truth, the very word we use to communicate the concept can change completely over time.

[Forgotten Child]

Originally Posted by eviltimeban

And considering this is the "Tonight Tonight" of the album... in terms of where it's placed.

If that's the case, R+S is the Tonight Tonight of Machina. Would you say that?

[ourruseoffools]

Originally Posted by Forgotten Child

If that's the case, R+S is the Tonight Tonight of Machina. Would you say that?

Idk becuz le deux machina didn’t end up opening the album but who knows if that was ever in the cards at the time or just revisionism

[houseofglass11]

It sounds like a total retread of the song “Wrath” from CYR but not as good.

[ourruseoffools]

Absolutely no songwriting done on this song… sounds like he just went with whatever as he was recording and then sent it off to our darling guitar boys

I hope Jeff and James were in direct communication while working on these and when they received this one they just texted each other “???????”

[themadcaplaughs]

Instruments have kind of a cool Future Embrace vibe, but are drowned out by those vocals, which sound like Corgan doing some kind of cartoon character voice, and not in a "he's playing a character" way.

[Funbags]

Didn't anyone listen to the podcast?

This is where Shiny (the new Zero/Glass) and June are in spaceships (!?) near each other, and June sings this love song to him every morning. HOWEVER -half way through, Shiny presses the kill switch that sends his spaceship into the sun, and June can only watch as it begins it's March of Life.

This is 100% from the podcast. I wish I were joking.

Tommy Lipnick also confirmed the whole concept has been around since MCIS.

[ourruseoffools]

Originally Posted by Funbags

Tommy Lipnick also confirmed the whole concept has been around since MCIS.

no, the wrestler guy was like "so were you looped into the whole 3 part story arc back in the 90s?"

the whole 3 part story arc didn't exist then, but tommy clearly didnt wanna cross the line so he was like "oh yea i heard bits and pieces of the story for sure!"

[Funbags]

Originally Posted by ourruseoffools

no, the wrestler guy was like "so were you looped into the whole 3 part story arc back in the 90s?"

the whole 3 part story arc didn't exist then, but tommy clearly didnt wanna cross the line so he was like "oh yea i heard bits and pieces of the story for sure!"

I'm sure Tommy Whoever said Billy sat him down with Flood one night and explained the general idea, and then Tommy said "I thought it would be finished in 5 years not 20".

[Ram27]

who the fuck is tommy lipstick and why can he change MCIS canon

[themadcaplaughs]

Originally Posted by Ram27

who the fuck is tommy lipstick and why can he change MCIS canon

Engineer who worked with the band on various albums form MCIS onwards and has been a close friend of the band since. They interview him in some of the documentaries/tv specials about the band when they broke up in 2000. Billy visits him during the 30 Days series he did, and mentioned Tommy was one of the few people who maintained consistent contact with both Billy and James from 2000-2016.

As someone else said, it's very clear he doesn't entirely buy into this whole, "I have had this concept planned since day one and have been playing a character since", but gave very diplomatic answers. Most interesting aspect of the interview to me was that he sounded exactly like H. Jon Benjamin.

That particular episode had some really cool talk about "Eye". Billy ruins the whole vibe of the thing by talking incredibly loudly and trying to talk over everyone whenever the conversation gets moving.