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05-02-2006, 12:35 AM | #211 |
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Are you really this stupid?
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05-02-2006, 12:40 AM | #212 |
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Yep. She is. Exactly that stupid. Stupid to that precise degree.
Good thing you're not reading her posts any more, eh? |
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05-02-2006, 12:47 AM | #213 |
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Ventolinn: shparticus posted.
Ventolinn: probably because of the intesnese flirting between lie and sleeper t: lie is such a whore t: and shparticus is a sissy lala |
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05-02-2006, 02:30 PM | #214 | ||||||||
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whyd you have to go and shatter the peace? i knew i shouldnt have mentioned how peaceful it was, that was sure to induce your destructive side. im being honest. whyd you go and soil things? youre pretty evil. ive noticed this malevolent streak in you. i hope i dont ever meet you in real life. i can see it now: you smile warmly and shake my hand one second, only to knee me in the groin and claw my eyes out with foam in mouth a second later without provocation. youre a savage at core. is there like a "cool down" cage at home that shparticus has to lock you in for a few hours whenever you get into this state? i can imagine him like having to devise new tricks to get you in the cage, only to always leap out and shut the door apologetically, saying its for your own good, while you rave and climb up the walls screaming how youre going to eat him alive, that hes a motherfucker who youve always hated and whatever. then you throw your own feces at him the next time he walks and burst out cackling like a witch. thats how i see things here im not very absolutist. fuck, thats one of the main strains to religion that ive been criticizing so much. i can say that im not as relativist as you, but that doesnt mean im positively absolutist. i am to the extent that i do believe in (as in i belive in the existence of) such things as progress, right and wrong, truth, etc. but not at all in a way comparable to someone who truly is religious and not at all to the extent that would merit being described as "very absolutist." and this is where religion comes in. i dont think its just bad, in a subjective sense, i think its objectively wrong. mind you, i wouldnt dare think that i know what is right, but its always much more basic determining what is simply wrong. and thats were, with this absolutist thing, i would differ from a religious person and why it would be unfair to characterize my logic as religious for, if not other reasons, its supposedly absolutist character. i dont make any claims to knowing this truth, to knowing definitively what is right and wrong, like truly religious people do. but knowing what is wrong is another matter, and is something one can be comfortable putting stock into. i mean i think ive said before that its about determining right or wrong, not good or bad, so i dont know why you constantly appeal to the latter. ive admitted that it sometimes does good, but that that neither excuses it on that subjective level, or is something that makes it "right". but this all just speaks to one premise of this issue, there are still other things unresolved. lets just clean up a little bit and recap: its right to judge people negatively on grounds of their being religious. necessary in this are the ideas that genuine religious belief is negative (objectively wrong or just subjectively bad, i believe both but the former is what ive been focusing on) and (the more interesting idea) that, ok that belief is lamentable and wrong, but detecting that belief within people is an imperfect science and you cant just depend on usual indicators (the person saying they are "religious"). ill get back to that in a second honestly i didnt think you were a religious nutcase in disguise, i just thought you had some strange, unwarranted affection for religion. but, let me just seek clarification: thats true? you are religious? you are that religious nutcase? or was that just tongue in cheek? i remember in your religion thread before you saying that youve always had a curiosity for it but i dont remember you saying that you were actually religious. and the latter is determinable, i dont have to just presuppose. you sort of said as much with some things before, that religion is wonky or whatever. i could go back and comb through some stuff and find it but i dont think youll argue with me on this so its not necessary. or maybe im remembering wrong. i guess we'll find out Quote:
but i stand by that: if youre religious you are necessarily more "close minded" (imperfect, inexact term notwithstanding). how can an entire system of belief that provides answers off the bat to all kinds of troubling questions and is founded in the very antithesis of reason, faith, ever be reconciled with truly boundless, open mindedness and critical thought? how can i at once both believe that, say, the world was created 7000 years ago or, more abstractly, that certain behaviours or beliefs, dictated to be by the bible, are absolutely right or wrong, and at the same time be truly open and willing to accept the truth as it reveals itself? im sorry, lie, but they are mutually exclusive. you cant have answers and at the same time be honestly and seriously looking for them and be willing to accept them in whatever form they might take. you seem to be using the fact that this belief isnt always totally debilitating (there are many scientists who are religious, for instance) as proof that it doesnt exist. this functions in degrees, yes, but the issue was always that it made you more close minded, more unreceptive to truth, not, like a swtich that is on or off, with religiousness equaling "totally close minded" (some certainly are) and non-religiousness meaning "totally enlightened." and, just to be clear, were talking about a genuinely religious person. as i said before, i think thats the only example person we can use in many things. that question about if you can determine if a person is or is not religious is apart from this present question about close mindedness. Quote:
the latter part, about how it necessarily crushes true spirituality, i dotn particularly agree with. it is true in a sense, but i dont think its the way you mean it. and what are you talking about? did you just skip over that other post i made before this one? becuase i go into spirituality and the leap of faith and everything. i know this new board has this tendency to just shoot you past everything to the last post on a page so im not saying you deliberately ignored it, but it does seem like, going from your comments, that you didnt read it one way or another. if you did read it and are just ignoring it, fine whatever, but that sucks because i thought i brought up some interesting topics and stuff Quote:
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youre trying to give the impression that its something inmutably personal and deep and impossible to understand. it is to an extent, but one doesnt have to even fully understand someones belief, they just have to understand enough for their purposes. i might have an incredibly nuanced, personal, idiosyncratic belief that the bible is the word of god, but all youd have to know to be able to criticize it is that i hold the belief that the bible is the word of god and that the other details or contextual points arent of such a nature to reverse that. the only things with this that ive claimed not to understand are the true psychology of a religious person (i think ive got it down pretty well though) and what exactly religion is, whats the exact, perfect definition of it. but with that, as ive said before, the same rule applies: a full understanding isnt even necessary for our purposes, i just have to understand enough (know what it isnt, and know what basic elements definitely do exist within it). newtons law of gravity is incomplete, yet at the same time it functions marvelously for any variety of ends. (to avoid falling the same traps ill clarify: im not saying my beliefs on this are at all as brilliant as newtons on gravity, or whatever perverse interpretation this could support, im just illustrating a general principle. that principle being that "complete" knowledge (insofar as thats possible) is not a requisite and that the extent of knowledge needed is just relative to the ends) but i have to again stop and take stock. ill address what i know youre getting at, regardless of all the objectionable statements youre making along the way that might cloud that. with this idea that its right to judge people for being religious in mind, it really does seem like were on two different planes here. im saying: a person being religious, if they are "religious", means xyz (where anyone goes with that is another matter). youre saying soemthing like: "its fair to judge people on grounds of their being "religious"? what does it this "religious" even mean? what it does mean to be religious here and now, in pracitce, isnt of a universal character and doesnt necessarily relate to what it means in principle, so you cant honestly act like everyone corresponds to that." something in that vein, correct? i cant help but feel its all semantic. on the level i mean it i dont think you disagree. i mean that were talking about religious people, people that are already religious, as per our understanding of the word, and whose faith isnt really the subject of contention, and thus believe in a general type of things in a general type of way (for expediency, accept that wording). if anything, the question is just flawed because, youd say, it presupposes too much. in reality, youd say, religious people are not so neatly divided from other people (radical communists) and, while they might call themselves religious, arent exactly even religious. i have to say that this angle is as wishful and theoretical as you accuse mine of being. even on that level, my point (that its right to judge them negatively) stands. i dont have to know it all. how far can one be religious, in name or in the fact that they go to church or because they claim to be or by any other measurement, and at the same time be sufficiently distanced from all of the elements of religious belief that i think so little of? i mean, they cant have their cake and eat it too. if somebody is seriously willing to forgo the infinite humility that is beholden upon them to have as humans and have, not the courage, but the weakness and utter stupidity to accept, wholly or a la carte, ready-made, plainly and obviously moronic solutions to the greatest questions of life and accept some of cheap bits of pseudo-wisdom from the ravings of some venal, opportunistic hobos like muhammad or jesus (thats exactly what they both were), to degrees small or large, im going to think less of them. whatever could possibly suffice to indicate the existance of these beliefs or this type of disposition (not exclusively systematic beliefs in the teachings of jesus or whatever, but ones of that exact nature -- aka religion) is enough, and its your mistake to give so much credit to these people to think that they can simultaneously have these type of beliefs and this type of disposition and yet be unscathed by criticism that applies to religion "theoretically" im going to ignore all those mean things you said at the end. |
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05-02-2006, 02:33 PM | #215 |
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and all this squirrel talk is really silly. i dont know if im being trolled or not so im wary to actually address it. what is it with people and this kind of inability to look beyond the most surface appeal of something? like i could be talking about "if you cant take the heat get out of the kitchen" and, i swear, someone would respond saying that kitchens dont even have to be that hot, that you could just open a window. its about the principle behind what is being said. i was trying to tell of my little experience just watching nature. trees, wind, animals (squirrels). theyre just part of that. it has nothing to do specifically with squirrels at all, they just happened to be there then... ok fuck this, i refuse to accept that you guys are being sincere with this thing, im not going to devote another word to it.
eat shit, the lot of you this is totally unrelated but really interesting i thought http://www.nytimes.com/packages/html...S/blocker.html |
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05-02-2006, 02:34 PM | #216 | |
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that last point is irrelevant. its what it indicates, what it means. a religious person, say, could not place much importance or have that much conviction in a belief that the bible is the word of god, but what does a belief like that existing at all say about the person? it says something, and it says enough for it to act as the foundation for criticism or a changing of my opinion of the person (to what exactly, circumstance would help dictate) dont call me by my first name |
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05-02-2006, 02:50 PM | #217 | |
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youre missing one important tourist thing jan: that amphibious hippo bus thing. thats for all the cool tourists though, you wouldnt fit in. but seriously, that bus makes me cringe every time i see it, its so incredibly stupid |
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05-02-2006, 02:57 PM | #218 |
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haha that bus had an accident a few years back and you saw the cops helping all of these people out of lake ontario and the hippo bus. The Toronto Island can be fun in a cheesy way though. I haven't been to the Science Centre since i was 9 or so- i didn't get the chance to go to the BodyWorks exhibit unfortunately.
In the weekend after July 1, i'd reccoemnd the Toronto Outdoor Art show. Past few years i blew a few hundred bucks there (usually part of it birthday cash) and have never had a more interesting afternoon. |
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05-02-2006, 03:11 PM | #219 |
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haha it crashed. karma exists. i would pay to see all these fat-mom tourists in garish clothing being pulled out of lake ontario, crying. oh god that would do it
ive never gone to that art show, i always thought it was for like awful hippy art and the tame, uninteresting variety of folk art. ill check it out this year do you go to that end of year show at ocad ever? i usually go just to see whats what but the last few years were so underwhelming that i dont think im going to bother this year edit: nevermind, your profile tells me |
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05-02-2006, 03:19 PM | #221 |
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i haven't been to an OCAD show in years- maybe because Sheridan and OCAD students often don't get along (i'm afraid people here get the impression OCAD students have less talent and a higher amt. of bullshit artwork). We had an art show this year, next year we have a big one in a gallery in Toronto.
That outdoor art show has some really really interesting (to me) work and experimental stuff. Maybe half the work is reg. boring crafts work but the other half has some excellent student photography. Last year some guy was selling these really weird futuristic type hunting stuff. Like plexi glass guns with wall mounts, plexi glass deer heads and swan heads to stick out of the wall. I bought a small series of handmade books- sort of like a handmade comic series. The year before that i bought a tshirt with a mutated santa on it. Its a lot of fun and not as boring as it seems. |
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05-02-2006, 03:20 PM | #222 | |
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edit: ok so its not in the shape of a hippo now. but i still wouldn't ride in it http://www.torontohippotours.com/img/imge09.gif Last edited by alisonmonster : 05-02-2006 at 03:26 PM. |
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05-02-2006, 03:22 PM | #223 | |
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05-02-2006, 03:33 PM | #224 | |
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that sounds like something id like actually, especially the part about the handmade books. im interested in doing something like that myself (not a zine!) and wouldnt mind to see what other people are trying |
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05-02-2006, 03:33 PM | #225 | |
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I was hoping for one of these with people riding in the back |
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05-02-2006, 03:49 PM | #231 |
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I see that bus practially once a week, at least, as the city tour goes down St. George and they tell them about UofT - the bus goes right past my buidling.
I wasn't aware it can swim! Toronto islands - I haven't been there yet, but I went to those landfills extending way into the lake from the port area in the east, with all those bird-watching guys around - the waterfront and skyscrapers look good from there. |
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05-02-2006, 04:00 PM | #232 | |
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is that oakville gallery thing your first choice or just a choice? i thought you wanted to escape oakville. from what ive seen of oakville its pretty hokey and depressing, i dont know why youd want to stay. an odd mix of mansions and strip malls. maybe i only got a narrow glimpse of what its about, i dont know. i was thinking about, and have kind of started doing, a collection of large handmade books with some photography idea i have. but it would be on rough, heavy paper and the photographs wouldnt be normally printed, i have some other, antique method staked out. i was thinking about just making a bunch and giving them away for free to random people (how, i havent decided). the free thing is not some principled stand against consumerism or something like that (or whatever you, having been surrounded with ideas of a similar nature for the past few years at school (i assume), might automatically think) its just part of the actual message. the photography idea is kind of hard to explain. its not exceedingly complex or antyhing like that, its just awkward and i can sense some horrible, struggling, 2000 word paragraph coming out of me if i try, so whatever. what youre describing sounds good though. i like the scrapbook kind of idea. not necessarily scrapbook as in a random collection of thoughts kind of sense, but scrapbook as in a crafted little keepsake kind of thing. something that doesnt have an explicitly stated purpose but is still focused. although i have increasingly strong urges to make it go beyond just photographs. i have another similar idea that, if my musical ideas realize themselves, ill definitely do. but i cant tell you about that! its a secret, a really good idea that the prying eyes of the internet cant know about! i think so at least thanks for the offer of help though, thats so friendly and endearing, i appreciate it. i cant look into the future, but i might take you up on that actually. ill get back to you on this |
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05-02-2006, 04:25 PM | #234 |
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hey jan, you pig, check out this one
http://i4.ebayimg.com/02/i/07/04/b8/9a_1.JPG http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...MakeTrack=true as much as you hate me for liking this stuff, i dare you to tell me this watch isnt magnificent |
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05-02-2006, 04:34 PM | #235 |
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ive also got my eye on these
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e3...4/55d3a75d.jpg http://images.auctionworks.com/hi/68...NW52_BRN_1.jpg neither compare to that one above though, that ones mine |
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05-02-2006, 05:05 PM | #237 | |
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as i pointed out, I am really suspicious about that made in USSR tag. |
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05-02-2006, 11:20 PM | #238 | |
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05-02-2006, 11:28 PM | #240 |
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look at those: made in ontario, canada:
http://www.schreckwholesale.com/images/product_576.jpg these look good to me. |
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