Let's rank the albums!

[Joey Goldberg]

i ranked that & potatoes on their own merits, as it is pretty dumb to pit compilations against albums in the first place

yet here we are!

[lavrentis]

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[Joey Goldberg]

do yerself a favor & get Aeroplane immediately

i mean immeidately, do not care what you're doing

[smashingjj]

Originally Posted by Joey Goldberg

both Complex records are better than anything "Pumpkins" have done since Z and i'm a little surprised that isn't a more popular opinion on here

fuckin' wafers...

mos def

[Disco King]

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Disclaimer: I actually have listened to Look to the Sky once, but I just can't remember anything about it. That probably means it was bad, but it just seems cruel to put it on the same level as Teargarden.

[wHATcOLOR]

Originally Posted by inkless

it makes no sense not to put siamese dream on top

objectively, i agree, siamese dream is clearly in the top tier of their albums when ranking by quality. i ranked them by how much i personally enjoy them now, and put siamese dream 1 tier down from the top. a little conflicted about that, probably would be ok with it on top tier, but it doesn't hit me in the same way it used to.

[run2pee]

Originally Posted by Joey Goldberg

both Complex records are better than anything "Pumpkins" have done since Z and i'm a little surprised that isn't a more popular opinion on here

fuckin' wafers...

Originally Posted by inkless

gish and adore are better than a collection of single

Dudes im so friekin huntroo0. Haven’t gotten around to a single spin of any of these

Point me in the right direction how does 1 get into the JCC complex, does 1 have 2 love boring old jazz from
White dickheads

Or what

[run2pee]

Tbh

i just don’t care about the solo records from the SP members. For me it’s all about that solid gold run from preggish thru most of adore, and whatever other BC/JC thing that’s not zeitgeist. Especially not into big willie solo endeavors other than like a single track here and there, i just wanna bask in the good stuff that emanates from, orbits the peak there of like By Starlight and swirls outward from there like a spiral galaxy in a very special part of the hurting universe

[Joey Goldberg]

i don't even think of the Complex stuff as "jazz" so much as JC being his beastly self over music that isn't produced by Rick Rubin, Billy Corgan, or any other such dickhead out to basically make anything & everything sound like plastic "poo poo"

[Forgotten Child]

[run2pee]

Instead of shaming the inferior albums what if we celebrated their uniqueness in a way that allows them to go on and find their own lives in the bedrooms of some hypothetical um, probably like a sadsack porn addict vs bipolar serial burglar

Everybody’s different guys c’mon, fuck these tiears, let’s give all the albums a good midnite rub down before we send em on their way, to fly free of our hard heartedness

[NovaFritz]

Doing this, I realized that the only really change I have had over the years is that Machina II shares the top tier with MCIS and SD. 10, 20 years ago Adore would have been top, but now it strikes me as a bit much.

[VoxUpDoc]

Originally Posted by NovaFritz

Doing this, I realized that the only really change I have had over the years is that Machina II shares the top tier with MCIS and SD. 10, 20 years ago Adore would have been top, but now it strikes me as a bit much.

Yeah Machina 2 aged really well - and I think that is entirely unintentional and in spite of the involvement of a certain Mr. William.

[VoxUpDoc]

Adore has aged like shit.

It's one long, brown sub-Moby technogoth poop with 6 MCIS-tier tracks: To Sheila, Perfect, DD, Appels, Behold, Dusty.
Like... even for a grief or break-up record, there are many more insightful, relatable and listenable records than Adore.

[VoxUpDoc]

Originally Posted by Run To Me

Tbh

i just don’t care about the solo records from the SP members. For me it’s all about that solid gold run from preggish thru most of adore, and whatever other BC/JC thing that’s not zeitgeist. Especially not into big willie solo endeavors other than like a single track here and there, i just wanna bask in the good stuff that emanates from, orbits the peak there of like By Starlight and swirls outward from there like a spiral galaxy in a very special part of the hurting universe

Listen to James Iha's solo albums, you bastard.

[run2pee]

Originally Posted by VoxUpDoc

Adore has aged like shit.

It's one long, brown sub-Moby technogoth poop with 6 MCIS-tier tracks: To Sheila, Perfect, DD, Appels, Behold, Dusty.
Like... even for a grief or break-up record, there are many more insightful, relatable and listenable records than Adore.

Dunno

While i agree it’s a slog and i skip maybe 1/3, i cant imagine not having shame, for Martha, blank page in my life

[run2pee]

Also enjoy the bleary broken vampire’s hangover of Annie dog

[AveryLoren]

Adore and Machina (both I&II) are tied for my top spot. Well, actually Machina edges out Adore with the sheer volume of work.

I think Pug is one of the best songs Billy has ever written.

[run2pee]

The way i figure is if i can skip 2 or 3 tracks and make it a 10/10 record, its top tier for me

[run2pee]

Basically my tiers reflect “how many tracks do i have to skip” not “how awesome is this album as a complete experience?”

[NovaFritz]

Originally Posted by VoxUpDoc

Yeah Machina 2 aged really well - and I think that is entirely unintentional and in spite of the involvement of a certain Mr. William.

Originally Posted by VoxUpDoc

Adore has aged like shit.

It's one long, brown sub-Moby technogoth poop with 6 MCIS-tier tracks: To Sheila, Perfect, DD, Appels, Behold, Dusty.
Like... even for a grief or break-up record, there are many more insightful, relatable and listenable records than Adore.

I agree that the Adore tone is pretty monotonous. Though weirdly it also sounds like several album projects assembled together. Machina II has more stripped back production so it actually fits together pretty well, and it has many different tones so it is actually enjoyable to listen to. But I do wonder what happened with MII. Billy's whiny self-absorbed suffering makes Adore sound very self-indulgent today, while on MII he is playing a big ego star, but unlike on his more recent work, the focus still seems to be on songs and listenability.

And I don't know how so many of you can stick MI and MII together as albums. Whatever the artiste's true intention was, their production makes them sound like totally different projects.

[Disco King]

I judge other SP fans based on how they appraise Adore.

[Joey Goldberg]

Originally Posted by TheAlter

You lot have no love for Yoshinobu-san. His first solo record is smashing!

is it widely agreed upon you are Took's alt or nah?

genuine question

[redbreegull]

Originally Posted by Run To Me

Everybody’s different guys c’mon, fuck these tiears

BLUE SKIES BRING TIERS

[Joey Goldberg]

Originally Posted by Disco King

I judge other SP fans based on how they appraise Adore.

same kinda

it can be balanced out w/ a solid Machina opinion tho, to a degree

& vice versa

[VoxUpDoc]

Originally Posted by NovaFritz

I agree that the Adore tone is pretty monotonous. Though weirdly it also sounds like several album projects assembled together. Machina II has more stripped back production so it actually fits together pretty well, and it has many different tones so it is actually enjoyable to listen to. But I do wonder what happened with MII. Billy's whiny self-absorbed suffering makes Adore sound very self-indulgent today, while on MII he is playing a big ego star, but unlike on his more recent work, the focus still seems to be on songs and listenability.

And I don't know how so many of you can stick MI and MII together as albums. Whatever the artiste's true intention was, their production makes them sound like totally different projects.

When I talk of MII I mean all the EP tracks as well.

And yeah, thankfully Bill pushed it out unfinished. If he’d been given the greenlight it would’ve sounded a lot like M1 in the end. Machina is cool but it’s got a lot of skips.

And I don’t mind Adore either when I’m in the mood, but I’ve no desire to hear Shame, For Martha or Blank Page, even the rocked out live versions. I guess part of that is living long enough to go through shit yourself - listening to Corgan crooning about loss just doesn’t ring genuine, relatable or insightful as it did as a teenager.

Adore was very accurately appraised at the time - a solo album, which laboriously plays against the band’s established strengths. There was a time I thought it was peak art and ranked it as high as MCIS/SD, but that was cos I didn’t know better.

[run2pee]

Originally Posted by VoxUpDoc

Listen to James Iha's solo albums, you bastard.

Oh wow, u douchebag

Look to the sky is really fun! What the heck is wrong with me, ye peckerwood

That it took me so long? To listen to this, u hecken OAF, u

[run2pee]

Damn it’s like more pumpkins than any single record big stupid willie has been able to muster since the stupid breakup

Wow

[Because]

How dare you disparage Took

[VoxUpDoc]

Originally Posted by Run To Me

Damn it’s like more pumpkins than any single record big stupid willie has been able to muster since the stupid breakup

Wow

No idea if this is a genuine reaction or a pisstake.

Is everybody here a Took alt?