Age Of Innocence - Page 2

Because · 04-26-2017, 05:58 PM

I think this was the first song I heard from Machina. It made me wonder how Machina wasn't so well received, until I heard the whole album.

Shadaloo · 04-26-2017, 06:34 PM

It's a really good one. For something apparently recorded in haste IMO it's got one of the best choruses from the album. With Every Light should have been the closer, sure, but this still kind of works as an epilogue track, if that makes sense. "That's it, band's done."

Maybe it'd have been more effective if it were hidden after a few minutes of silence.

Raskolnikov · 04-27-2017, 01:26 AM

Was debuted at Bridge School in '99 - remember hearing the recordings and being SO stoked for Machina. Having loved all of the songs from the Arising tour, then knowing that this one might sneak on there just ratcheted up my excitement for the album another notch or two.

https://archive.org/details/tsp1999-...sdsm6.t07.flac

topleybird · 04-27-2017, 04:53 PM

Every once in a while I think about how Billy's original intention was to have the last sound you ever heard on a Pumpkins record be that super-distorted "MMMBLURGH SKIES MMBRING TEARMSMSMS" and I laugh a little

ButterflyBullet · 04-29-2017, 12:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by topleybird

Every once in a while I think about how Billy's original intention was to have the last sound you ever heard on a Pumpkins record be that super-distorted "MMMBLURGH SKIES MMBRING TEARMSMSMS" and I laugh a little

There was one country that probably did have that experience haha. Doesn't the Japanese edition with Speed Kills have a slightly altered tracklisting that has BSBT last?

glass85 · 04-29-2017, 02:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ButterflyBullet

There was one country that probably did have that experience haha. Doesn't the Japanese edition with Speed Kills have a slightly altered tracklisting that has BSBT last?

Yes, it does.

FoolofaTook · 04-29-2017, 08:54 PM

Lol topleybird just made me lol

themadcaplaughs · 04-30-2017, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Jelly Blossom

I think this was the only song that it was specifically stated that she didn't play on.

I seriously doubt that D'arcy played anything on Machina or Machina II.

Flood did a Q&A some time ago where he discussed this. Billy and James split bass 50/50 on Machina I. D'arcy shows up on parts of Machina II (since a lot of those songs were from rehearsals or rough takes), but Billy re-did some of her parts himself.

MTAE · 05-01-2017, 12:25 PM

You're right, best song on Machina.

wHATcOLOR · 06-04-2021, 03:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Slurpee

Those weren't poems.

i randomly came across this thread, and tried to rep this post, and was notified that i can't rep the same post twice

Cool As Ice Cream · 06-04-2021, 04:26 AM

hahaha

Joey Goldberg · 06-04-2021, 11:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ButterflyBullet

There was one country that probably did have that experience haha. Doesn't the Japanese edition with Speed Kills have a slightly altered tracklisting that has BSBT last?

yeah, which is bizarre since Speed Kills works well after AoI anyway, but they resequenced 'cause fuck it it was the Machina era and that's just how we DO shit in the Machina era eh?

Baffler_Meal · 06-04-2021, 12:18 PM

What do you all think of the Live on 99x acoustic version?

Joey Goldberg · 06-04-2021, 01:03 PM

it's certainly acoustic, & a version

T&T · 06-04-2021, 04:11 PM

I'm surprised they didn't try it as a single. I consider it in the 1979/perfect/trytrytry family. even moreso than TTT...

Joey Goldberg · 06-04-2021, 05:30 PM

more in the Tonight Tonight family 4 me

but i certainly agree it coulda been a single

Joey Goldberg · 06-04-2021, 05:32 PM

at least a promo type situation like Muzzle if nothing else (if it wasn't already?)

smashingjj · 06-04-2021, 05:44 PM

yr mom

Joey Goldberg · 06-04-2021, 07:58 PM

you wanna take this outside, cat boy?

Raskolnikov · 06-05-2021, 11:59 PM

Wound > AOI

That said, AOI is top 5 on the album for me. White hot.

Love the distorted guitar around the "too fucked to swear..." part.

srt4b · 08:07 AM

This song has never really done anything for me, total throw away. It's fine, whatever. What is the difference between this song and wound?

paranoid · 06-06-2021, 11:46 PM

agree that it should have been a single.

IOTM was a promo single right? TTT was definitely, in gym mind, an odd single choice, but years later i get that song and thinks it's beautiful.

slunken · 06-10-2021, 05:07 PM

GYM MIND

VoxUpDoc · 06-11-2021, 03:06 AM

Age of Innocence would’ve been a better single than Everlasting Gaze or SIYL (which I liked but ehhh)

Because · 06-11-2021, 04:16 AM

and This Time

Joey Goldberg · 06-11-2021, 02:43 PM

This Time is my fav song on the album but i dunno if i'd pick it as a single over Stand Inside

the fact that SIYL's single status is even being questioned is pretty bizarre to me, to be honest!

Joey Goldberg · 06-11-2021, 02:45 PM

VoxUpDoc · 06-11-2021, 04:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joey Goldberg

the fact that SIYL's single status is even being questioned is pretty bizarre to me, to be honest!

It didn’t crack the top ten (well, outside Italy and Spain). So I think it’s cool to question if it was the best single in the Machina deck.

It’s good song, the chorus is a banger but the brooding verses just aren’t radio-friendly imho.

Joey Goldberg · 06-17-2021, 01:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VoxUpDoc

It didn’t crack the top ten (well, outside Italy and Spain). So I think it’s cool to question if it was the best single in the Machina deck.

It’s good song, the chorus is a banger but the brooding verses just aren’t radio-friendly imho.

https://media1.tenor.com/images/58b4...temid=16084686

majesty · 07-10-2021, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Big Truck05

Is one of Billy's greatest, most well-written (verbally) songs. Closest thing he's ever written to a poem. The bridge is also brilliant. Agree with me!

I agree with you. It’s in my top 5 go to SP songs when I feel like binge listening them.

06-06-2021, 11:32 PM	#51
srt4b Apocalyptic Poster Posts: 1,238	This song has never really done anything for me, total throw away. It's fine, whatever. What is the difference between this song and wound? Last edited by srt4b : 06-07-2021 at 08:07 AM.

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04-26-2017, 05:58 PM	#31
Because Braindead Posts: 18,608	I think this was the first song I heard from Machina. It made me wonder how Machina wasn't so well received, until I heard the whole album.

04-26-2017, 06:34 PM	#32
Shadaloo Apocalyptic Poster Location: up on the cross you go little fella Posts: 2,803	It's a really good one. For something apparently recorded in haste IMO it's got one of the best choruses from the album. With Every Light should have been the closer, sure, but this still kind of works as an epilogue track, if that makes sense. "That's it, band's done." Maybe it'd have been more effective if it were hidden after a few minutes of silence.

04-27-2017, 01:26 AM	#33
Raskolnikov Apocalyptic Poster Location: California Posts: 2,352	Was debuted at Bridge School in '99 - remember hearing the recordings and being SO stoked for Machina. Having loved all of the songs from the Arising tour, then knowing that this one might sneak on there just ratcheted up my excitement for the album another notch or two. https://archive.org/details/tsp1999-...sdsm6.t07.flac

04-27-2017, 04:53 PM	#34
topleybird Janis Jopleybird Location: Let me see you do the booty hop. And now make the booty stop. Now drop, and do the booty wop. Posts: 6,880	Every once in a while I think about how Billy's original intention was to have the last sound you ever heard on a Pumpkins record be that super-distorted "MMMBLURGH SKIES MMBRING TEARMSMSMS" and I laugh a little

04-29-2017, 08:54 PM	#37
FoolofaTook Just Hook it to My Veins! Location: Donald Trump of Netphoria Posts: 37,349	Lol topleybird just made me lol

05-01-2017, 12:25 PM	#39
MTAE Pledge Posts: 53	You're right, best song on Machina.

06-04-2021, 04:26 AM	#41
Cool As Ice Cream Just Hook it to My Veins! Location: František! How's the foot of your turtle? Posts: 33,036	hahaha

06-04-2021, 12:18 PM	#43
Baffler_Meal Mothmonsterman Posts: 341	What do you all think of the Live on 99x acoustic version?

06-04-2021, 01:03 PM	#44
Joey Goldberg Minion of Satan Location: andy dick NAKED Posts: 8,766	it's certainly acoustic, & a version

06-04-2021, 04:11 PM	#45
T&T Socialphobic Location: montreal Posts: 12,172	I'm surprised they didn't try it as a single. I consider it in the 1979/perfect/trytrytry family. even moreso than TTT...

06-04-2021, 05:30 PM	#46
Joey Goldberg Minion of Satan Location: andy dick NAKED Posts: 8,766	more in the Tonight Tonight family 4 me but i certainly agree it coulda been a single

06-04-2021, 05:32 PM	#47
Joey Goldberg Minion of Satan Location: andy dick NAKED Posts: 8,766	at least a promo type situation like Muzzle if nothing else (if it wasn't already?)

06-04-2021, 05:44 PM	#48
smashingjj A tiresome edgelord Location: even by Netphorian standards Posts: 37,319	yr mom

06-04-2021, 07:58 PM	#49
Joey Goldberg Minion of Satan Location: andy dick NAKED Posts: 8,766	you wanna take this outside, cat boy?

06-05-2021, 11:59 PM	#50
Raskolnikov Apocalyptic Poster Location: California Posts: 2,352	Wound > AOI That said, AOI is top 5 on the album for me. White hot. Love the distorted guitar around the "too fucked to swear..." part.

06-06-2021, 11:46 PM	#52
paranoid Minion of Satan Location: up a tree Posts: 7,979	agree that it should have been a single. IOTM was a promo single right? TTT was definitely, in gym mind, an odd single choice, but years later i get that song and thinks it's beautiful.

06-10-2021, 05:07 PM	#53
slunken Virgo Posts: 43,755	GYM MIND

06-11-2021, 03:06 AM	#54
VoxUpDoc Apocalyptic Poster Posts: 4,502	Age of Innocence would’ve been a better single than Everlasting Gaze or SIYL (which I liked but ehhh)

06-11-2021, 04:16 AM	#55
Because Braindead Posts: 18,608	and This Time

06-11-2021, 02:43 PM	#56
Joey Goldberg Minion of Satan Location: andy dick NAKED Posts: 8,766	This Time is my fav song on the album but i dunno if i'd pick it as a single over Stand Inside the fact that SIYL's single status is even being questioned is pretty bizarre to me, to be honest!

06-11-2021, 02:45 PM	#57
Joey Goldberg Minion of Satan Location: andy dick NAKED Posts: 8,766