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06-05-2016, 05:40 PM | #211 |
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your cat was totally showing off.
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06-05-2016, 05:44 PM | #212 |
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she was!
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06-05-2016, 05:46 PM | #213 |
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it's actually very scientist, isn't it? we have very little scientific theory to think it's even possible. without even a basic framework of maybe how it could work with any physics we have any sort of glimpse at now, the most logical answer is that it is not possible or that if it is possible, we could never do it with something meaningful like an object or a person.
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06-05-2016, 06:09 PM | #214 |
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netphoria is kind of beautiful in a way
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06-05-2016, 06:12 PM | #216 |
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except for like the normal way we inch forward through it
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06-05-2016, 06:16 PM | #217 |
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chronos is a fucking joke.
i think a lot of people mistake god for him. |
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06-05-2016, 06:24 PM | #218 | |
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06-05-2016, 06:26 PM | #219 |
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and don't talk about god, god either doesn't exist or is knowable at some point.
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06-05-2016, 06:31 PM | #220 |
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a fair point, but technically we do time travel and are all doing so right now. We even know that matter traveling faster in physical space moves slower through time, so we have some theoretical influence over it already. My understanding is that science cannot yet answer why backwards time travel is not possible, i.e. no one knows why we only experience it in one direction.
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06-05-2016, 06:35 PM | #221 |
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i'm not a philosopher or a physical scientist but if an emergent property of a universe is time, e.g. it just happens because things are related to each other and not exactly the same thing, i don't know why any explanation is really necessary. the past doesn't exist. we can assume the future exists, but that's just probabilistic. if we somehow travel to the 'future' we're really just changing the speed at which we're traveling, no?
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06-05-2016, 06:36 PM | #222 |
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edit: nvmd I don't think that even made sense.
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06-05-2016, 06:42 PM | #223 |
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I basically agree with all that although I'm not sure if you are saying the very concept of time travel doesn't really make sense?
I generally view the universe in very deterministic parameters, so I guess intuitively to me it makes sense that the universe is an unfolding equation. the present could not exist without everything in the past having happened the exact way that it did, and perhaps in a sense those things are happening eternally whether we can perceive them or not |
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06-05-2016, 08:12 PM | #224 |
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what do you mean by eternally? like the equation doesn't end but gets transformed into different presentations, like logarithms and exponentials? universes are created and then entropy and more universes and entropy?
i guess the question becomes at what point is what anyone does, or any planet does, or any galaxy does, affect the equation - which by definition it can't, if everything is deterministic? at what point is what I do freely up to me, since it doesn't change the nature of how the universe unfolds? can kim jong whoever not bomb the usa because it would lead to the destruction of earth and that would fuck up the equation? or is earth so unimportant that it's like the 100000000000000000000000000th digit of pi? it seems to me like it would be a very large amount of choice for each individual, if you look at it that way. but that's kinda looking at it backwards where you are look at it from it forward i kinda went off on a different topic there kinda but... yeah i dont think time travel to the future makes sense to be called time travel, unless you can go back in time it's just 'fast travel'. im probably wrong, where's killtrocity when you need him. or luke de spa |
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06-05-2016, 08:17 PM | #225 |
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i have no idea what im talking about. totally liberal arts fart sniffing going on
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06-05-2016, 08:39 PM | #226 | |
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Keep going, I think we're on to something Just think, if we all work together maybe we could build the 1st time machine. Then, armed with a book of sports facts from the future and fuzzy's Vegas connections, we could make killions and retire happy Let's do this! Ok, sorry gotta go now time2wipe |
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06-06-2016, 01:18 AM | #227 |
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there is no free will. choice is real in that we experience it, but every choice we make is ultimately the outcome of every input you have ever experienced, the same way an apple falling from a tree is the product of an unfolding equation. the entire universe had to happen that exact way for that apple to fall from that tree in that spot at that precise time
we're all just falling apples experiencing some kind of cosmic self-awareness trip |
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06-06-2016, 01:25 AM | #228 |
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of course there's no free will as in you have some kind of choice outside of what has been input into you, however i think detailed stuff like what i eat for dinner may be so irrelevantly miniscule to the universe that regardless of what i eat (presuming I don't say, stay in the house instead of go out like nature intended), it doesn't matter to the cosmic equation. so in that way, there may be some soft determinism b/c the details just don't matter that much.
am i explaining myself well? you're not important enough for your every movement to matter to the universe. whether you eat pb & j or grilled cheese is none of the universe's concern, and any difference it makes in 'reality' is within the confidence interval/standard error margin, i.e. it's not statistically significant |
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06-06-2016, 01:44 AM | #229 | |
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these days i'm watching the nba playoffs, and watching basketball games really makes me go me a single simple thing like a game of basketball is like a drop of water running across an infinite ridge of dried up, broken ground, and it only trails a single track. i get mental blackouts thinking about this. |
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06-06-2016, 01:53 AM | #230 | |
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06-06-2016, 01:54 AM | #231 |
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LDS also believed in the likelihood of a deterministic universe
jus sayin |
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06-06-2016, 01:55 AM | #232 | |
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what i mean by that is, the fact that the cells in your brain and body have come to exist and that you are thinking thoughts was almost impossible. like. it's basically impossible. yet here you are. and you want to waste it, by thinking about how you almost weren't, or won't be soon, or why it matters or why it doesnt is just, really, time wasted. it's important because in order to live a thoughtful life you need to have these thoughts. and they will recur throughout your lifetime. that's a good thing. but i think we need not dwell on them longer than it takes to learn whatever lesson we need from it at this particular time, because seriously your life just started and it's almost over and you will never experience it again and this 70 year period out of the infinite that have existed and will exist is your only chance to do anything, so go fucking do it you idiot |
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06-06-2016, 01:59 AM | #233 |
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06-06-2016, 02:01 AM | #234 | |
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06-06-2016, 02:02 AM | #235 | |
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this doesn't prove that you have any freedom in your mind or choice but i think theoretically, it doesn't prove that you don't. .9999.... = 1. they are the same, but not, but yeah they're the same. |
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06-06-2016, 02:04 AM | #236 |
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i mean life is meaningless also and what you do means less than shit i'm just saying that's the other way to look at it at least you are experiencing, the alternative was to never experience. which is really the same thing but right at this moment, it's not. but really it is. but not right now. AGAINST ALL ODDS. and i mean, literally all the odds.
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06-06-2016, 02:07 AM | #237 | |
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btw i didn't mean what i said in a discouraging way - i just marvel at that thought. i feel breathless by it. it doesn't necessarily make me feel negatively or positively, just astounded by the sheer unbelievable complexity of it. while thinking about the vastness of the universe can make many people feel hopeless or oppressed by insignificance, i feel very liberated by it. whenever shit gets me down i try to remember that we are much, much less than a single grain of sand on an infinite beach, and that i take myself waaaay to seriously to be brought down by that stuff and not enjoy what i can. well i try to anyway. honestly can't tell if any of this comes off as profound or absolute new age stoner bullshit. gonna hit submit before i change my mind |
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06-06-2016, 02:08 AM | #238 |
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06-06-2016, 02:11 AM | #239 |
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yeah rep we basically typed out the same thing at the same time
but in different ways BAM universe |
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06-06-2016, 02:12 AM | #240 | |
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This might reflect my intimacy issues lol |
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