I've hit middle age as far as my taste in music

[I'm Hardcore]

so fucking what? what exactly is it that makes Sabbath 'heavier' than any of those tracks i posted?

[redbreegull]

what makes those tracks heavier than sabbath? you were the one who wanted to challenge my assertion so the burden of proof is on you.

[redbreegull]

actually don't I really don't care.

most heavy metal music is derivative/heavily influenced by sabbath though and I think that would be pretty difficult to argue with.

another thing that hasn't really been brought up in this thread is that it's bullshit that "metal" gets a monopoly on the adjective heavy. there are plenty of heavy bands that aren't metal at all, but for some reason heavy is synonymous to many people with metal music.

[I'm Hardcore]

Originally Posted by redbreegull

what makes those tracks heavier than sabbath? you were the one who wanted to challenge my assertion so the burden of proof is on you.

first of all, stop talking to me like i'm your stepson, okay?

"burden of proof" you reckon. well, lets take the Bardo Pond track as an example.

1). it's louder
2). there are 2 guitars
3). it has been recorded at a lower frequency, therefore making it sound heavier
4). Sabbath sounds tinny and watery in comparison

am i missing anything?

[I'm Hardcore]

Originally Posted by redbreegull

most heavy metal music is derivative/heavily influenced by sabbath though and I think that would be pretty difficult to argue with.

no one is arguing against this.

but you can't use the recordings of a precursor band to simply say "THIS IS THE HEAVIEST SHIT EVER" simply because it came first, or whatever.


using this argument - is Glenn Branca the most "experimental" guitarist ever? were Throbbing Gristle more "industrial" than Wolf Eyes ever were?

[I'm Hardcore]

WHO IS MORE METAL THAN WHO???? ULTIMATE SHOWDOWN


http://www.vickibrennerent.com/bluec...es/cheer40.jpg

http://www.roller-mag.com/Celtic%2BF...une%2B1984.jpg

http://www.nocleansinging.com/wp-con.../01/Sunn-O.jpg

[slunken]

Originally Posted by I'm Hardcore

were Throbbing Gristle more "industrial" than Wolf Eyes ever were?

honestly i'd call that one pretty even

though one could say that while TG "invented" industrial a band like wolf dudes was able to draw on 20+ additional years of other types of zonked sound therefore making them less industrial simply by the level of purity

???

[slunken]

that reminds me i need to re-download tg24 so i burn some cds for my car. long hazy drives to work in the morning with the sun coming up style.

[Syrial Carpens]

Originally Posted by I'm Hardcore

WHO IS MORE METAL THAN WHO???? ULTIMATE SHOWDOWN


http://www.vickibrennerent.com/bluec...es/cheer40.jpg

http://www.roller-mag.com/Celtic%2BF...une%2B1984.jpg

http://www.nocleansinging.com/wp-con.../01/Sunn-O.jpg

I vote number 2, because of my Tom G. Warrior man-crush.

[I'm Hardcore]

Originally Posted by slunken

honestly i'd call that one pretty even

though one could say that while TG "invented" industrial a band like wolf dudes was able to draw on 20+ additional years of other types of zonked sound therefore making them less industrial simply by the level of purity

???

yeah, two very different bands. i think Wolf Eyes are one of the most unique bands going around

[D.]

I saw Wolf Eyes play an insane set earlier this month. It was a festival type thing so it was great seeing all the people who had no idea who they were leave after like half a song. By the end of their set it was only like, me and possibly 15 or 20 people. It was a magical set, though.

[Starla]

This has been in my rotation all week

[Trotskilicious]

Originally Posted by Kreatorkind

I agree with that. The Doors were pretty heavy to me, for instance.

RBG, when this guy agrees with you its safe to assume that you are arguing from ignorance

[Trotskilicious]

Originally Posted by I'm Hardcore

omg you've never listened to a swans record i never would have guessed

Lol

[redbreegull]

Originally Posted by I'm Hardcore

first of all, stop talking to me like i'm your stepson, okay?

"burden of proof" you reckon. well, lets take the Bardo Pond track as an example.

1). it's louder
2). there are 2 guitars
3). it has been recorded at a lower frequency, therefore making it sound heavier
4). Sabbath sounds tinny and watery in comparison

am i missing anything?

only that the bands you posted are like fucking sperms from tony iommi's dick

[redbreegull]

interestingly, the first known labeling of a band as "heavy metal"

[I'm Hardcore]

hands up who likes to deal with young children? not me.

[Trotskilicious]

wilco is derivative of something from the 60s and 70s, probably the byrds or the yardbirds or whatever

he sounds like an old person with this "what does it matter, they were the original"

shut up, grandpas.

[redbreegull]

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[I'm Hardcore]

Originally Posted by Kreatorkind

uh huh... like you have shown any understanding of music.

sound comeback, man

[I'm Hardcore]

yo Trots, i guess this just ain't heavy huh?

[redbreegull]

Originally Posted by redbreegull

obviously we're getting into meaningless subjective definitions, but I don't think veering farther and farther into atonality and torture noises makes a band "heavier." Sabbath is the heaviest band to me, because the power of the guitars and the drums feels like an endless tidal wave of rock insanity pummeling me into the bottom of the ocean. SP comes pretty close to this at times. The more "metal" a band gets, the more I usually feel the power of the music is gutted by toneless, thin, staticy guitars through solid state amps, indecipherable screaming, and gimmicky shitty double-kick speed drums. It's almost like you try so hard you just completely miss the mark. When everything is turned up to level 10 insanity at all times, you lose the context and the music doesn't seem powerful anymore

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[I'm Hardcore]

just shut the fuck up

[redbreegull]

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[vixnix]

Originally Posted by I'm Hardcore

yeah, two very different bands. i think Wolf Eyes are one of the most unique bands going around

Don't qualify unique. Either something is unique or it's not. It can't be more or less unique, or one of the most unique things. Choose another phrase - Wolf Eyes are an unusual current band, for instance.

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endless tidal wave of rock insanity

[I'm Hardcore]

Originally Posted by vixnix

Don't qualify unique. Either something is unique or it's not. It can't be more or less unique, or one of the most unique things. Choose another phrase - Wolf Eyes are an unusual current band, for instance.

you also can shut the fuck up

[I'm Hardcore]

Originally Posted by redbreegull

pummeling me into the bottom of the ocean

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[smashingjj]

redbreegull has hit middle age as far as his taste in music