stupid religious argument

[Shinobi]

I agree, "there just has to be" is a weak foundation for belief.

I prefer the prophetic accuracy of the Bible, as its something that can be seen. Unbelievable how the Good Book describes the how and why of the dominance of the western nations, and many other things.

As for the whole 50/50 thing. Once upon a time I didnt know which was harder to believe, the existence of a creator God of the universe, and a grand purpose for mankind, or, the alternative: that absolutely EVERYTHING was created out of absolutely NOTHING for absolutely no reason at all. These days from the proofs Ive seen the former is much more reasonable.

[tcm]

Originally Posted by Shinobi

I agree, "there just has to be" is a weak foundation for belief.

I prefer the prophetic accuracy of the Bible, as its something that can be seen. Unbelievable how the Good Book describes the how and why of the dominance of the western nations, and many other things.

As for the whole 50/50 thing. Once upon a time I didnt know which was harder to believe, the existence of a creator God of the universe, and a grand purpose for mankind, or, the alternative: that absolutely EVERYTHING was created out of absolutely NOTHING for absolutely no reason at all. These days from the proofs Ive seen the former is much more reasonable.

hehe

[JapanAlex]

i can't remember exactly what the theory is called

the world doesn't change - the world just is

it's how we perceive the world - and the theory goes that there is no reality

life is one big perception

[Thaniel Buckner]

Originally Posted by JapanAlex

jesus.....

you said it man.
































































nobody fucks with the jesus.

[Rockin' Cherub]

Originally Posted by Deadeyes

I mean when you just look at it as, how does everything come from nothing?

how do you even know this is true? no scientist would claim "everything came from nothing". i will not read the rest of your rant if it's based on this false premise.

[JapanAlex]

oh god maybe.....

[Deadeyes]

Originally Posted by Rockin' Cherub

how do you even know this is true? no scientist would claim "everything came from nothing". i will not read the rest of your rant if it's based on this false premise.

That's the whole point... It seems ludicrous to propose that. You really aren't objective if you stop there when you didn't even see what I meant.
Read the rest of the sentence.

[Starla]

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[Rockin' Cherub]

i've read it now. it just seemed like you and shinobi used a non existent scientific thesis of "everything coming from nothing" as an argument for serious discussion on this topic. most religions will state that everything came from a higher being or something similar, not nothing, and most scientists don't put forth claims regarding non-observable phenomena.

[Thaniel Buckner]

the primary flaw in all creationists' argument is their willingness to ask "who created the universe" but not "who created god".

[Starla]

oh yay i gotta go to work

God is punishing me

[Deadeyes]

Originally Posted by Rockin' Cherub

i've read it now. it just seemed like you and shinobi used a non existent scientific thesis of "everything coming from nothing" as an argument for serious discussion on this topic. most religions will state that everything came from a higher being or something similar, not nothing, and most scientists don't put forth claims regarding non-observable phenomena.

Oh no not at all, I was using it as a mere obvious reference. Something people could empathise with, Im not trying to turn out anything controversial. Just trying to put the OP into a context where it doesn't sound so biased. Outside religion, if there was even a point...

[Rockin' Cherub]

Originally Posted by Thaniel Buckner

the primary flaw in all creationists' argument is their willingness to ask "who created the universe" but not "who created god".

this question is usually asked by people who reject the christian explanation anyway. if you accept it then god is defined as an eternal benevolent being that does not need to be created. the mainstream christian answer to your question would simply be: nobody created god.

[JapanAlex]

that's just sillypoops!

[dean_r_koontz]

Originally Posted by Luke de Spa

dawkins calls this the "argument from personal incredulity"

dawkins dawkins dawkins

dawkins richard dawkins

dawkins

dawkins the god delusion




richard dawkins

dawkins is a wannabe

[dean_r_koontz]

but i'm real.

[deadaswarhol]

the people are shit that's how i feel

[hnibos]

i gotta go to church and be bombarded with a million reasons why im a terrible person, and have everyone around me agree. i fucking love being an outcast in my family

[Shapan]

god created god

[Debaser]

Originally Posted by Shinobi

I agree, "there just has to be" is a weak foundation for belief.

I prefer the prophetic accuracy of the Bible, as its something that can be seen. Unbelievable how the Good Book describes the how and why of the dominance of the western nations, and many other things.

As for the whole 50/50 thing. Once upon a time I didnt know which was harder to believe, the existence of a creator God of the universe, and a grand purpose for mankind, or, the alternative: that absolutely EVERYTHING was created out of absolutely NOTHING for absolutely no reason at all. These days from the proofs Ive seen the former is much more reasonable.

Have some dignity for chrissakes.

but you are probably are blind to how absolutely silly you sound huh

[Debaser]

another supposedly serious post by shinobi and I'm calling sleeper

[Eulogy]

Originally Posted by Shinobi

As for the whole 50/50 thing. Once upon a time I didnt know which was harder to believe, the existence of a creator God of the universe, and a grand purpose for mankind, or, the alternative: that absolutely EVERYTHING was created out of absolutely NOTHING for absolutely no reason at all.

you know, there are other options here. ugh.

[maoi]

Originally Posted by deadaswarhol

the people are shit that's how i feel

=)

[ravenguy2000]

Originally Posted by Shapan

god created god

this is the part where someone asks if god could make a rock so big even he couldn't move it

[Eulogy]

Post in this thread and I'll say something NEGATIVE about you. Effloresce General Chat Archive 106 06-26-2007 10:06 PM

[ravenguy2000]

he really got schooled in that thread

[Shinobi]

Originally Posted by Debaser

but you are probably are blind to how absolutely silly you sound huh

No im fully aware that most people think im an idiot for the things I believe, I get mocked, scorned and ridiculed all the time. And I fully understand how 'silly' the things I say must seem to majority of people. Because I believe whats actually taught in the Bible, majority of mainstream Christians even think what I believe sounds silly.

[hnibos]

you probably think we sound pretty silly too.

[Shinobi]

Originally Posted by hnibos

you probably think we sound pretty silly too.

Not really, I wasn't raised in church, most my life I've had little to no belief in God. So I know both sides of the perspective.

[redbreegull]

My girlfriend used the "there just has to be" thing on me last night. I mentioned in passive amazement that bears and dogs have a common ancestor and her response was, "Or maybe God created them both." I said, "Fine, but we have fossil evidence that the dog family and the bear family all evolved from one animal. Like whales and pigs or something." Her response: "There just has to be a God though. It couldn't have happened by itself."

Ah, whatever.