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08-18-2022, 04:00 AM | #31 |
Braindead
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Art isn't art anymore when everybody's doing it
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08-18-2022, 04:04 AM | #32 | |
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I think we can agree, tho, that all three are on a decline either way |
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08-18-2022, 01:47 PM | #33 |
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For question #1:
Yeah, it's more difficult to make a living as a musician than ever. For the vast majority of people, it will be a hobby they spend money on rather than anything they make an income on. Touring is like taking a vacation where you get to play music and offset some of your gas costs. You will continue to have a day job. Even the the biggest pop stars who do make millions off of their music sell fewer records than they did in the past. The highest selling records sell a fraction of what the highest selling records of old did. Because we have the internet now and instead of all going out and buying the same album, purchases are dispersed across a more diverse range of records every year. As for question #2, there have never been more people doing more different things on rock music than there are now. There has never been more musical diversity than there is now. Of course interesting shit is still happening. As for question #3, rock music isn't subversive anymore because literally nothing is subversive anymore. The only way you can be edgy these days is by doing brainless shock rock. And shock rock isn't despised anymore because it offends our delicate sensibilities. Now it's despised because it's unimaginative and boring. Anybody can do it. We've seen people bite the heads off of birds, say blasphemous/sacrilegious/politically incorrect things, take shits on stage, burn down churches, everything. It's not just music. We've made the edgiest torture porn films we can imagine, the crudest comedy that can be fathomed, the harshest satire of every politician or public figure, we've literally pushed past every boundary of "offending" people. Offending people isn't new or challenging anymore, and we already live everyday understanding that things that offend us are part of society and are allowed to exist and we can encounter them whenever we feel like. At least in Western (particularly North American) society. Maybe you can still be a "subversive" rock band in Iran or Uganda. But here, we've literally seen it all. |
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08-18-2022, 01:49 PM | #34 |
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We've come a long way from George H. W. Bush being scared that Bart Simpson would encourage youth delinquency by uttering "don't have a cow, man" to teachers and other authority figures.
Now, cartoons are more worried about the example the president sets than the other way around. |
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08-18-2022, 07:07 PM | #35 |
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08-18-2022, 07:08 PM | #36 |
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08-18-2022, 07:14 PM | #37 |
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all during the past two years i heard nothing but crybaby bands going "oh no we have no means of support" and "oh no please buy this practice tape otherwise we can't survive" and "if we cannot tour we cannot survive"
and i've literally not seen a single one of these acts disintegrate or get a job or anything of the sort. fuck bands, fuck artists, fuck musicians you're going to tell me that the toadies wrote one hit song in the mid-90s and they're still living high off of that one hit? you're going to tell me that you're an obscure avant-garde electronic musician and you made one tape in an edition of 100 and you're still surviving? enough is enough. NO MORE BANDS. NO MORE MUSIC. |
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08-18-2022, 07:14 PM | #38 |
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08-18-2022, 07:31 PM | #39 |
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jump on the clickbait but don't address the conversation, sure
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08-18-2022, 07:33 PM | #40 |
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08-18-2022, 07:34 PM | #41 |
Virgo
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Because you could split an entire thunderbolt in the middle of your sentence and those would be two different conversations
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08-18-2022, 08:53 PM | #42 |
Minion of Satan
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What part of this conversation would you like to draw my attention to?
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08-18-2022, 09:55 PM | #43 | |
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08-19-2022, 05:40 PM | #44 | |
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it seems like more and more often these days if you look up a musician/artist on wikipedia they have very notable parents which makes it very clear that the lifestyle was bankrolled it sounds like i'm being a boomer whining about "privilege" but I assure it's a little more than that I mean yea "living large" was hyperbolic but are they still cashing checks from rubberneck? who else on earth could take 2 years off work? |
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08-19-2022, 05:45 PM | #45 |
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I'm just asking questions.
like is that dream still true? like you could write one hit song and basically live off of it for the rest of your life if you had to? |
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08-19-2022, 05:47 PM | #46 |
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like, i've only seen one band i follow on social media break up/crumble due to covid stuff and they were planning on breaking up anyway. they just canceled a euro tour and broke up early. so like, how are all these bands still in existence?
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08-19-2022, 05:48 PM | #47 |
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someone make this make sense to me
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08-19-2022, 06:31 PM | #48 | |
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08-19-2022, 06:34 PM | #49 |
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Question from genuine ignorance: Was that ever possible? I saw About a Boy as we all did and I wondered if Hugh Grant's lifestyle — we all know this, of course, but his character lived off the royalties of one hit song his father wrote — was at all realistic. Like who has accomplished this?
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08-19-2022, 07:11 PM | #50 | |
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That was Dishwalla for me. I love that song because of that. |
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08-19-2022, 07:13 PM | #51 |
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just to be clear during this time i was in the passenger seat with my dad lol
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08-19-2022, 07:24 PM | #52 |
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08-19-2022, 07:37 PM | #53 |
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if there's no outside $$$ coming in, only rich kids can participate
besides I'd rather people get exorbitant salaries for making music than designing Floppy Bird or tweeter or whatever |
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08-19-2022, 08:23 PM | #54 |
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this is now a buckcherry appreciation thread
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08-19-2022, 08:30 PM | #55 |
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08-19-2022, 08:37 PM | #56 |
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08-19-2022, 08:41 PM | #57 |
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this is extremely gay lol
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08-19-2022, 08:46 PM | #58 |
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listening to a man on a stage tell you about how hard he is and how much he wants to fuck is extremely gay and not in the slur way
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08-20-2022, 03:01 AM | #59 | |
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There's a story about Don Mclean and American Pie, he was often asked what it was all about and allegedly his reply was "it means I don't have to work ever again" (lol) Now you can totally effin forget about that dream because it's never going to happen. Becoming an influencer\videoblogger is probably a much safer bet to get rich nowadays. |
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08-20-2022, 03:09 AM | #60 | ||
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Where does love for the art end and the coveting of real life perks begin? My solution to the modern pickle is to completely forget about money, validation, success or any of that external irrelevant shit at all, and just make music only for me, because I love and need to do it That is my rebellion Who gives a shit if it's gonna be a bandcamp with 56 views on it. Fuck all of you I don't need your money and your fad |
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