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Old 05-15-2023, 12:14 AM   #31
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Yeah, I know the Pumpkins have used synths pretty regularly. I think what Bill isn’t getting is that lately, what he’s been doing with synths just sucks. The synth stuff on Mellon Collie or Adore is great. I don’t know that I want a double album of just that, but I would give it a listen. But a double album of this middling, bland shit he’s doing now is just painful. I’m not a fan of most of the synth stuff on ATUM either but at least a few of those songs he manages to salvage with guitar riffs and solos.

I feel like he has a love/hate relationship with the guitar. Playing guitar is arguably what he does best; some people may hate his voice (whether he’s singing the old or new way), some people might not care for him as a lyricist and his synth playing (lately at least) feels like a lot of nothing. But one thing I can’t deny is that he can SHRED on guitar. And when he actually does that, it’s amazing.

I get that he doesn’t want to do the same thing over and over again but I mean… I don’t know. If, after “Jump” was a big hit for Van Halen, Eddie had switched to playing synths 90% of the time, it would have gotten old really quickly. It’s frustrating to see Billy constantly deny himself (and his fans) what he does best.

 
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Old 05-15-2023, 01:10 PM   #32
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ATUM for me. I love the whole thing and find it to be the most extremely Smashing Pumpkins thing they've done since Machina / possibly ever. I don't understand how fans aren't completely over the moon with ATUM.

I like Cyr more than most and do appreciate the obnoxious audacity of releasing it as the big "Jimmy & James are back" album.. it was a very Smashing Pumpkins thing to do. But ATUM tickles me even more in that respect.

I rate SP stuff partly on how funny it is and how funny it is in context of what fans want / expect.

 
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Old 05-15-2023, 02:09 PM   #33
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I just can't get behind the Cyr vibe on most of the non-single tracks . Clown music

 
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Old 05-15-2023, 04:17 PM   #34
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I get that he doesn’t want to do the same thing over and over again but I mean… I don’t know. If, after “Jump” was a big hit for Van Halen, Eddie had switched to playing synths 90% of the time, it would have gotten old really quickly. It’s frustrating to see Billy constantly deny himself (and his fans) what he does best.
Hopefully the new "rock" album will allow them space to do some solos.

But he's probably also thinking "are guitar solos CONTEMPORARY?"

 
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Old 05-16-2023, 10:21 AM   #35
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why can't this bald cunt just put out Machina Megabox already

shit christ almighty!

 
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Old 05-16-2023, 11:52 AM   #36
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The people have spoken...

Billboard 200
Atum at #111
Cyr at #86

and they said Cyr is better than Atum.

 
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Old 05-16-2023, 11:53 AM   #37
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why can't this bald cunt just put out Machina Megabox already

shit christ almighty!
Because Billy knows a huge part of his remaining audience will check out once he releases it. He needs to keep people hanging on so he can promote his next sequel to one of his previous better albums.

 
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Old 05-16-2023, 12:14 PM   #38
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abstaining my vote

both albums suck balls

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Old 05-16-2023, 02:37 PM   #39
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The people have spoken...

Billboard 200
Atum at #111
Cyr at #86

and they said Cyr is better than Atum.
considering ATUM is a $90 4 LP box set, 2/3 of the record had already been released, I'd say it did just as well as CYR.

either debut is pretty abysmal.

 
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Old 05-16-2023, 02:43 PM   #40
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Who the fuck is gonna pay that outside of lifelong fans? I would never purchase something equivalent from a band I was casually into. I won't even do it for this band.

 
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Old 05-16-2023, 03:20 PM   #41
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considering ATUM is a $90 4 LP box set, 2/3 of the record had already been released, I'd say it did just as well as CYR.

either debut is pretty abysmal.
Pretty sure Billy overcharged for a silly Cyr boxset as well. Wasn't it expensive?
Then there was that stupid Cyr 7" singles boxset

Edit: I saw someone on FB post Cyr $230 / $335

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Old 05-16-2023, 03:44 PM   #42
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Pretty sure Billy overcharged for a silly Cyr boxset as well. Wasn't it expensive?
Then there was that stupid Cyr 7" singles boxset

Edit: I saw someone on FB post Cyr $230 / $335
I’m talking about the general in store release.

 
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Old 05-24-2023, 01:17 PM   #43
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Hopefully the new "rock" album will allow them space to do some solos.

But he's probably also thinking "are guitar solos CONTEMPORARY?"
LOL, for real. I roll my eyes whenever he talks about how he needs to keep up with the Taylor Swifts of the world or whatever. Like, dude, you're fifty-fucking-six years old. You haven't been "contemporary" for decades.

 
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Old 05-24-2023, 02:30 PM   #44
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The people have spoken...

Billboard 200
Atum at #111
Cyr at #86

and they said Cyr is better than Atum.
This likely has more to do with interest levels waning after Cyr being terrible than about people's opinions of any specific album

 
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Old 05-24-2023, 02:59 PM   #45
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I would like to vote, but I would have to listen to both bloatfests in their entirety.

I would think that if we reduced each to their 10 best tracks, ATUM would win, but I don't know

 
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Old 05-24-2023, 03:08 PM   #46
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next up, in the series of polls: cat shit vs dog shit

 
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Old 05-24-2023, 04:38 PM   #47
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i would rather kill myself than listen to cyr

 
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Old 05-24-2023, 05:05 PM   #48
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EACH PURCHASE WILL RECEIVE AN EMAIL WITH EXCLUSIVE CYR ZOOM BACKGROUNDS

 
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Old 05-24-2023, 05:19 PM   #49
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Atum and death by hanging.

 
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Old 05-24-2023, 05:20 PM   #50
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Old 05-24-2023, 07:32 PM   #51
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The songwriting is better on CYR. The issue with that record is that it's all too sonically similar, but if you take any one CYR song and put it up against an ATUM song the CYR song is going to win most of the time.

 
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Old 05-24-2023, 09:27 PM   #52
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Old 05-24-2023, 10:42 PM   #53
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Old 05-25-2023, 12:08 AM   #54
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yeah, the UK is Fuuuuucked.

 
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Old 05-25-2023, 10:28 AM   #55
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Old 05-25-2023, 09:13 PM   #56
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I prefer CYR. I don't think it was a perfect project either, but it surprised me more than ATUM did. It sounds fresher, even when compared to the rocker songs on ATUM.

 
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Old 05-25-2023, 10:58 PM   #57
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Really it’s about six of one and half a dozen of the other. Stylistically the albums are both pretty interchangeable.

 
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