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Old 10-01-2022, 05:23 PM   #31
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im holding back from writing multiple paragraphs on how much i hate everything you said here
Please don't, I'm open to discussion!

 
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Old 10-01-2022, 05:26 PM   #32
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ouruseoffools isn't gonna like that one.
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Old 10-01-2022, 05:31 PM   #33
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Adore era BWBW is when things really started to go to shit. It's Billy losing his touch chasing whatever the fuck he thought would keep him "successful" after the Adore (sort of) fiasco.

The way he had no problem butchering one of his all time greats with a fucken 7-string guitar just to make it palatable to nu-metal kids is chilling.
their management prob forced them to play the hits on adore tour but they were bored from playing them 182723894723097423 times from 1995-1997 that they said fuck it and had some fun with it

 
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Old 10-01-2022, 05:43 PM   #34
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Adore era BWBW is when things really started to go to shit. It's Billy losing his touch chasing whatever the fuck he thought would keep him "successful" after the Adore (sort of) fiasco.

The way he had no problem butchering one of his all time greats with a fucken 7-string guitar just to make it palatable to nu-metal kids is chilling.
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Old 10-01-2022, 08:47 PM   #35
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I personally think its cool when bands change up the songs live. So I'm cool with it even if this version doesn't really gel. Despite having some beautiful songs Adore is def my least favorite era of SP1

 
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Old 10-01-2022, 09:18 PM   #36
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gates open. come on in.

 
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Old 10-01-2022, 09:22 PM   #37
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Adore era BWBW is when things really started to go to shit. It's Billy losing his touch chasing whatever the fuck he thought would keep him "successful" after the Adore (sort of) fiasco.

The way he had no problem butchering one of his all time greats with a fucken 7-string guitar just to make it palatable to nu-metal kids is chilling.
My thoughts exactly. It was a very transparent attempt to cater to nu-metal fans. He would say it was him being “Zero” and a cynical reprimand of what audiences expected of them, but I doubt he had that kind of insight into his own motivations at that time.

 
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Old 10-01-2022, 09:59 PM   #38
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If Billy cared so much about catering to Nu Metal fans he would have made a Nu Metal album instead of the Machinas. I can’t stand the man but this seems like quite a reach.

 
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Old 10-01-2022, 10:09 PM   #39
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was this his piano debut?

Yes. Remember being blown away seeing that.

 
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Old 10-01-2022, 10:38 PM   #40
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If Billy cared so much about catering to Nu Metal fans he would have made a Nu Metal album instead of the Machinas. I can’t stand the man but this seems like quite a reach.
I think it's fair to say a combo of Mechanical Animals, Nu Metal, and Cyberpunk such as the Matrix and Ghost in the Shell definitely influenced the music, themes, and aesthetic of the Machina era. SP was never going to just copy Nu Metal and put out an album, but they were definitely inspired by those trends and sought to put their own stamp on it.

 
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Old 10-01-2022, 10:46 PM   #41
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I think it's fair to say a combo of Mechanical Animals, Nu Metal, and Cyberpunk such as the Matrix and Ghost in the Shell definitely influenced the music, themes, and aesthetic of the Machina era. SP was never going to just copy Nu Metal and put out an album, but they were definitely inspired by those trends and sought to put their own stamp on it.
Influence, sure, Billy has always drawn influence from a wide variety of styles. I don't think it's the same as what he's doing now (sadly chasing relevance), as someone implied, though.

 
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Old 10-01-2022, 11:05 PM   #42
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nu metal is fuckin awesome

 
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Old 10-01-2022, 11:10 PM   #43
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doom metal is fuckin awesome
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Old 10-02-2022, 12:19 AM   #44
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Mmm sludge

 
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Old 10-02-2022, 08:53 AM   #45
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their management prob forced them to play the hits on adore tour but they were bored from playing them 182723894723097423 times from 1995-1997 that they said fuck it and had some fun with it
Was at one of them adore gigs and the fuckers played all songs from the still unreleased Adore and like 3 MCIS singles. That was it. No mangement would advice you to act like a self-entitled dick.

 
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Old 10-02-2022, 09:04 AM   #46
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Was at one of them adore gigs and the fuckers played all songs from the still unreleased Adore and like 3 MCIS singles. That was it. No mangement would advice you to act like a self-entitled dick.
Oh too bad they didn’t bring out the fuzzy guitars and play geek USA :////

 
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Old 10-02-2022, 09:05 AM   #47
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If Billy cared so much about catering to Nu Metal fans he would have made a Nu Metal album instead of the Machinas. I can’t stand the man but this seems like quite a reach.
He couldn't have cared less about Nu Metal, he was so fucking scared of being left behind after MCIS success and the end of the grunge scene that he started saying/doing stupid shit like "rock is dead" and "i love Missy Elliot".

 
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Old 10-02-2022, 09:44 AM   #48
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Old 10-02-2022, 06:45 PM   #49
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ibanez, van halen, bwbw what could go wrong

 
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Old 10-03-2022, 01:33 AM   #50
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this is so gnarly
That is so, so, so damn good.

Man, so good. Daphne is not my favorite song from the album - maybe middle of the pack - but that version is flawless.

 
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Old 10-03-2022, 01:35 AM   #51
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Full show of where that Daphne came from is this:


 
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Old 10-03-2022, 12:42 PM   #52
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It's extremely lame. I'm pretty much with that guy AveryLovren - that live era in general was kinda crap.

BUT it was delivered with enough chutzpah that they pulled it off anyway.

 
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Old 10-03-2022, 03:35 PM   #53
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Kenny is a nice guy and a great drummer.

 
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Old 10-03-2022, 04:13 PM   #54
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There is nothing “extremely lame” about that performance. That live version of Daphne was incredible and the band sounded great. Totally shit take there incubator.

 
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Old 10-03-2022, 04:22 PM   #55
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There is nothing “extremely lame” about that performance. That live version of Daphne was incredible and the band sounded great. Totally shit take there incubator.
aweeee house of glass and i agree on something <333

 
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Old 10-03-2022, 05:32 PM   #56
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nu metal is fuckin awesome
it deserves re-evaluation, that's for sure

 
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Old 10-03-2022, 05:45 PM   #57
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it deserves re-evaluation, that's for sure
like i don't listen to it on the reg but Korn's s/t is hands down one of the scariest, darkest albums I've ever heard.

 
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Old 10-03-2022, 06:05 PM   #58
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like i don't listen to it on the reg but Korn's s/t is hands down one of the scariest, darkest albums I've ever heard.
life is peachy has some great tracks, if you cant get down to "chi" or "good god" idk ur probably boring as hell

 
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Old 10-03-2022, 07:04 PM   #59
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like i don't listen to it on the reg but Korn's s/t is hands down one of the scariest, darkest albums I've ever heard.
Yes

If need be, one could posit that it “transcends” genre

 
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Yes

If need be, one could posit that it “transcends” genre
one may say that, indeed

 
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