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02-13-2006, 01:48 PM
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Amish Rake Fighter
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We have a mission: Spreading MACHINA II (2 CDs) in lossless quality !
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' MACHINA II/The Friends & Enemies of Modern Music ' is an album by The Smashing Pumpkins that was released for free on the Internet in 2000. It is considered the band's sixth and final album, and is the sequel to ' MACHINA/ The Machines of God '. It consists of three EPs full of B-Sides and alternate versions, and one LP being the actual album. Both MACHINA albums are concept albums. Virgin Records were unwilling to release MACHINA II/The Friends & Enemies of Modern Music so close to the first (and commercially unsuccessful) MACHINA/The Machines of God. As is evident by the title, the band was fed up with Virgin. As a final farewell, and as a snub to the unsupportive label, it was released independently. Only 25 total copies were made. The vinyls were shipped via FedEx to several heavily active fans in the online community, with instructions to immediately redistribute it among the fans. Originally, the songs were intended to be the second disc of a double album instead of two separate releases. Virgin declined a double album from the band as previous Pumpkins album, Adore, had not fared well. The Pumpkins performed a track from the album ("Cash Car Star") on The Tonight Show with Jay Leno, which also ended up being the band's final television appearance. The performance was a rarity as "Cash Car Star" was not a single in any way, and MACHINA II was unavailable for purchase. source : wiki.org One of the lucky recipients, who can state that they are in possession of one of these 25 original-LPs, planned to definitely take the reveived vinyl to a studio or a friend with high-end equipment worthy of doing another high-quality dump to DAT, which will then be burned to CD and then treed & traded from there, to produce the highest possible quality recording. Well, and as you see, this is the result. For me as a Smashing Pumpkins-fan it's almost a kind of holy grail, a must-have, totally unique and I'm still stunned, that this is not fiction, that there is a ' Machina II Friends and Enemies ' as a double-cd-version available for purchase, but reality. Check for amazon.com, check for eMule, Donkey, Napster, Shareazaa, soulseek, type in every keyword, which could remotely lead you to this album, I promise you, you will find nothing... but some crappy mp3s and if you are lucky in 320k... not even mpc *sigh* . So this is the great chance to finally revise what the recipients failed to do - spreading a lossless version of ' Machina II Friends and Enemies ' on the i-net. And the funny thing about it is, that it's totally okay to do so, as it even was the instruction of the artists, who created this album without any label, to spread it on the i-net. Conclusion: No copyright issues at all. If you thought to be in possession of the Smashing Pumpkins-discography, you were wrong, it is incomplete, because as already mentioned ' MACHINA II/ The Friends & Enemies of Modern Music ' is the sequel of ' MACHINA/The Machines of God '. They belong together. Actually they are intended to be one big concept album. But now you have the chance to accomplish marvelousness by completing the Smashing Pumpkins-discography in lossless quality, so please bring yourself to purchase this unique album and share it.  source : spfc.org - The Smashing Pumpkins Fan Collaborative ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ TECHNICAL INFORMATION : [appreciated settings: ' the standard ', meaning creating the following 3 files - ape, cue, log - and put all 3 files in one rar ] If you don't know how to make perfect 1:1 audio-cd-copies and don't have a clue about eac, the lossless codecs and stuff, just look at this:
And a summary of the guide, one mate of mine once created. It's short and probably won't answer all your questions, but it sums up the essential. The most important thing to do in EAC is, to adjust the settings that at the end of the log file stands 'NO C2, accurate stream, disable cache'. Remember that ! If you find that in log files you've created, you've done everything right, if not, it was useless. And yes, EAC is freeware and it's known, that currently ONLY EAC is capably to create 1:1 copies, other products state that they also can do that, but that's bullshit. summary: EAC-> EAC options-> Extraction [v] Fill up missing offset samples with silence [ ] No use of null samples for CRC calculations [v] Synchronize between tracks [ ] Delete leading and trailing silent blocks Error recovery quality: [High] EAC-> EAC Options-> Tools [v] Retrieve UPC/ISRC codes in CUE sheet generation (only if CD-drive supports gap Detection method A. Enabling this option is the only way to make an exact copy.) [v] Use CD-Text information in CUE sheet generation [v] Automatically write status report after extraction [ ] Activate beginner mode, disable all advanced features EAC-> EAC Options-> Normalize [ ] Normalize Never ever use this option. Keep it disabled by all means! EAC-> EAC Options-> Interface[*] Installed external ASPI interface - before setting up this option you should download Nero's WINASPI32.DLL and put it in EAC's folder EAC-> Drive Options-> Extraction Method (!!!) - insert in your CD drive any audio disc and press Detect Read Features button. If Accurate Stream was NO, then do not use this drive for audio extraction! If Accurate Stream was detected (Yes), then set the following options this way (no matter what results were shown in Analyzing window):[*] Secure mode with following drive features: [v] Drive has 'Accurate Stream' feature [v] Drive caches audio data [ ] Drive is capable of Retrieving C2 error information EAC-> Drive Options-> Drive Drive read command - insert any audio CD in your drive and press Autodetect read command now button EAC-> Drive Options-> Offset / Speed For most exact copy of audio CD it's recommended to use read sample offset correction. To understand the importance of offset correction please read The Truth About Offsets article. Read SatCP's comprehensive gude on how to determine offsets.[*] Use read sample offset correction [Optional] Enter determined value, otherwise leave default settings (zero). [v] Overread into Lead-In and Lead-Out [Optional] Use this only if your drive support this feature and if you've set custom (not default) value for read sample offset correction [v] Allow speed reduction during extraction EAC-> Drive Options-> Gap Detection Gap/Index retrival method: [Detection method A] - press OK to save settings and try to detect gaps of inserted audio CD: Action-> Detect Gaps (F4). If EAC seems to take forever to detect the gaps or the detection process locks up after a few tracks, the detection method you've choosen is not optimal for your drive. Try choosing Detection method B or C. Detection accuracy: [Secure] That's it, all set up and ready to go. Based on Sergey Overkill's article. This is a very brief How-To. For more comprehensive info please reter to The Coaster Factory's EAC tutorial. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ There is one thing to say from my site... personally, I think it's very sad, that there is someone of us out there using this gift of the smashing pumpkins to us for personal enrichment instead of satisfying the smashing pumpkins wish to spread it on the i-net  . Andunfortunally the buyer of that auction will probably be a collector acting as egoistic as the seller and just keeps this album for himself instead of spreading and sharing it and thus also doesn't pay attention on what the smashing pumpkins intention was with that album. And this is why it's so important that someone of us gets this album, just to prevent the sad course of the time I sketched. Everybody of us would profit of that, if the buyer of that auction will be one of us. You may ask yourself why I do all this and don't buy it by my own: This auction is not worldwide and I don't come from the US. So I have no chance to take part of this auction .Last edited by dawn : 02-13-2006 at 08:28 PM. |
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02-13-2006, 02:09 PM
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Minion of Satan
 
Location: I was born a snake handler, and I'll die a snake handler
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Wow I can't wait to see what happens to this thread by the time I get hime from work.
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02-13-2006, 02:10 PM
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Apocalyptic Poster
 
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can you repost this in english please?
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02-13-2006, 02:19 PM
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Apocalyptic Poster
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02-13-2006, 02:48 PM
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Amish Rake Fighter
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Do you mean me with that ? If yes, please show a bit more understanding,
english is not my native language  . |
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02-13-2006, 03:11 PM
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Deaddy is your daddy!
 
Location: Veronica Mars played with my Wii.
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Let's kill this person.
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02-13-2006, 03:38 PM
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Apocalyptic Poster
Location: all up in your virginia
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why would you want to spread machina 2 in lossless when mp3s are smaller and easier to transfer!?
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02-13-2006, 03:40 PM
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Dute of Seven Y's
Location: Mr. C's garage
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Man, is it 2000 already?
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02-13-2006, 04:06 PM
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Just Hook it to My Veins!
Location: František! How's the foot of your turtle?
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lol 5 stars
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02-13-2006, 05:25 PM
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Apocalyptic Poster
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N E 1 HAS THE RARE SP DOWNLOADZ?
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02-13-2006, 05:32 PM
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Amish Rake Fighter
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*hrhr* Thanks for the warm welcome, folks
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Once I was a mp3-advocate as well and furthermore very conservative and sceptical. Changes were principally bad for me. I was full of prejudices against every change. But for ripping my christmas present, which meant very much for me, I decided to inform myself, because I want to achieve the best possible quality. And what was that ? 320k, of course, what else ? So I happened to find a forum for amateure and sound engineers, so the place for persons, who deal with sound on another level then the gal next door... a lot more professional. And there me was told, that ripping this nice discography in 320k is a waste of time, if I want to achieve perfect quality. I didn't believe them that 'something better than 320k ? No way, that's the optimum ! ' . Nevertheless I gave it a try, because these people really knew what they're talking about. I ripped one album in mp3 (320k) and one in FLAC. And trust me, it WAS a difference, a great one. After this comparision mp3s turned out to
also FELT the song ! You all certainly know WinRAR, don't you ? And lossless Codec's like APE, or FLAC practically are the 'WinRAR of music' . It compresses the music to 50 % of the original size and it carries a great feature: You can decompress the file and the result is the original file ! So once you have ripped your favourite album with FLAC or APE, you have the exact album, every single tiny bit on this disc, as a digital version on your computer ! And you'll greatly appreciate this fact once the years passes and time left some hearable marks on your CD .Nice to know and making lossless audio-compression even more credible: Even music-labels change their gigantic music archives over to FLAC or APE ! Well, that's pretty revealing, isn't it ?  I deleted every mp3 on my computer and changed over to lossless audio- compression as well. I just fed up with never having the guaranty of a rip without gitches and having to accept less quality than an original-CD provides. In the past I paranoidly listened to every second of the track to discover possible gitches... you could never know... and sadly I even found some ! Nowadays I just lean back, have a look at the log-file, and normally readsomething like ' Peak level 98.5 % Track quality 100.0 % Test CRC EE8FCF8E Copy CRC EE8FCF8E <<< * Copy OK ' this is a check sum to make sure that everything worked fine, if the test and copy CRC is the same, the physical track on the original-CD and the rip are identic and without any mistakes or differences and then I know, everything is fine, there's nothing to be concerned. Don't you want to enjoy MACHINA II the same way ? Sure, it takes a lot more space, but hey, it's not the 90ies anymore, it's 2006 ! dsl-flatrates and huge HDDs are totally affordable and such equipment is not luxury anymore ! I recently bought a 300 GB-HDD for 80 bucks and pay 50 bucks for a 2-mb- dsl-flatrate AND a telephone flatrate per month ! And compared to other countries like japan this equipment is a third world-equipment ! So the size-issue doesn't really present a serious problem anymore... now less than ever when one considers to rip Smashing Pumpkins-albums with APE or FLAC .In addition to that one lives once only ;D . But honestly speaking I don't know why you think that mp3 is easier to transfere. I mean, no matter with what program you rip, the first thing to do is, to configure the settings. So why don't configure it for a lossless codec ? Trust me, as soon as you know the true promise of lossless audio-compression you don't want to miss it anymore and don't appreciate mp3 anymore at all. So, do you want to really possess and enjoy ' MACHINA II/The Friends & Enemies of Modern Music ', or do you accept a kind of song sample/audio test, hm ? Last edited by dawn : 02-13-2006 at 05:47 PM. |
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02-13-2006, 05:48 PM
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Just Hook it to My Veins!
Location: František! How's the foot of your turtle?
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lol i wish i could add another 5 stars
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02-13-2006, 06:00 PM
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Apocalyptic Poster
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STOP SELLING SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE FREE |
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02-13-2006, 07:40 PM
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02-13-2006, 07:50 PM
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I gotz twice the rarz! |
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02-13-2006, 08:10 PM
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Amish Rake Fighter
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want to use it, okay- , but pleeeeeease share a lossless version http://www.pcwelt.de/forum/images/smilies/anbet.gif . If you want, I can help you with it, that's no problem .If you don't feel like making it available for everyone for certain period, then just upload it to me and I will do the rest .And if you don't feel like doing the whole configuration, hey, no problem: The configuration is saved in one certain, small file, which I can send to you, so that you have the right configuration right of the start, when you put it in the appropriate folder . *support whore* |
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02-13-2006, 08:18 PM
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Demi-God
 
Location: right in your ass
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this guy has surely heard of the world wide web to know so much stuff about music. i guess we're not alone now.
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02-13-2006, 08:53 PM
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02-13-2006, 09:48 PM
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Amish Rake Fighter
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Is it cool to trade burned CD-copies for spreading lossless versions of 'MACHINA II/The Friends & Enemies of Modern Music' ? NO Why it ain't a good idea to release from a CD copy ? 1. Usually cheap CD's are used -> This means probably you'll get some glitches. 2. Even more, cheap CD's get damaged quickly after some time -> This will end up in more glitches and also in having background noise. 3. When copying CD's people don't use to extract audio with secure mode (as you can do with a proper software like EAC) -> This also means that glitches will appear. 4. Usually a CD is copied On the fly -> This means that is almost sure that you will get glitches. 5. Generally people tend to burn CD's at very high speed (in fact people usually use the maximum speed available) -> This can easily end up with lots of glitches. 6. Release from CD-copies is not allowed because it's not possible to be sure it is a 100% perfect copy. And even though the releaser can be really sure his copy is as good as the original one, the users with whom he shares it have no way to know if the copy is really ok or not. Trust me, releasing from original source using EAC properly configured is the only option. It ain't difficult:
Then you would have a perfect 1:1-cd-copy of MACHINA II on your pc. And also the last step, the sharing, is as easy as winking:
Hey, you owe me something for the hint on this auction :P . And as you see it's not such a big deal, just looked like it  ... |
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02-13-2006, 10:54 PM
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Pledge
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hmmm......you link to ebay, then pretend to do us a favour? = expect to be hassled
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02-13-2006, 11:15 PM
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Apocalyptic Poster
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02-13-2006, 11:17 PM
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i bought mine from Q101. i'm good to go.
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02-13-2006, 11:26 PM
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Apocalyptic Poster
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yeah I prefer the virgin vinyl rips, however I have the q101, spifc also.
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02-13-2006, 11:26 PM
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Amish Rake Fighter
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All I want is, to see this album in lossless quality available. If repeatedly some guy out there buys this extremely rare double-cd-album and doesn't has a clue what to do with it, so that it's available in lossless quality on the i-net, all effort was for nothing. So it's just logical that I make sure that all this takes a good course for everyone outside who is interested in this album in perfect quality. Btw only for people, who want this album in lossless quality, this auction is interesting anyway, becaue actually the album is already available on the i-net... but in a crappy quality, but hey, who don't hears the difference can be satisfied with it. Honestly I can't understand how you can take a counter-position in this issue. If everything works fine, you could download MACHINA II in lossless quality, which is great and my goal. If all this fails, you will get nothing, which sux and just therefore you should actually support my idea, just for your favour. And if you aren't interested in MACHINA II in lossless quality, well how do I have to interpret your post then ? As an attempt to satisfy your combativeness by raising an unnecessary argumentation for nothing ? Because if you aren't interested in MACHINA II in lossless quality, this whole issue here should actually attract as much attention of you as a rice bag falling over in china right now ... |
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02-13-2006, 11:39 PM
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Apocalyptic Poster
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is this a troll??? have we been Punk'd?? Everyone already has this in lossless quality and has for probably 6 years. Q101 had one of the 25 vinyl copies and did a professional rip and sold pressed cd's of it, spifc did the same, as well as virgin records which released promos that were eventually leaked.... seriously welcome to 2000. You are not doing anybody any favors
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02-13-2006, 11:56 PM
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Amish Rake Fighter
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Machina II in lossless quality (shn or wavpack or ape or flac) out there, then please tell me where to get it right now. And don't say 'buy it at XYZ', because then I feel punk'd ;/ ... |
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02-14-2006, 12:04 AM
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Apocalyptic Poster
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02-14-2006, 12:13 AM
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Deaddy is your daddy!
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02-14-2006, 12:20 AM
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Amish Rake Fighter
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Normal people would have said something like 'hey, what you intend to do
has already been done, so better try to search the products of it than, trying to create it by your own, buddy', but not you. Fuck off, you stupid, disabled cunt. If this is the way you approach smashing pumpkins-fans that aren't 'in the scene' since the beginning of the smashing pumpkins and thus don't know every single detail, fine. Drop dead and do a good deed so, you poor, pathetic wanker |
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02-14-2006, 12:27 AM
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Apocalyptic Poster
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download it from the hub
trade for it post an ISO here buy it on EBAY!!! alternatively: http://goatse.ragingfist.net/ www.tubgirl.com www.lemonparty.org |
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