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Old 06-22-2022, 04:11 PM   #91
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T. If he was so transphobic/homophobic, would he wear any of those stupid kimonos on stage?
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Old 06-22-2022, 04:21 PM   #92
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If he was so transphobic/homophobic, would he wear any of those stupid kimonos on stage?
Hmmm you're right, you seem way more phobic than Billy does.

 
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Old 06-22-2022, 04:49 PM   #93
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If he was so transphobic/homophobic, would he wear any of those stupid kimonos on stage?

 
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Old 06-22-2022, 04:50 PM   #94
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Of course he’s not.

 
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Old 06-22-2022, 05:31 PM   #95
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would a racists dress in blackface? would they?

 
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Old 06-22-2022, 05:48 PM   #96
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Lmao did you just compare crossdressers to racists wearing blackface?

 
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Old 06-22-2022, 06:40 PM   #97
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This place is unhinged.

 
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Old 06-22-2022, 06:43 PM   #98
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This place is unhinged.
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how is this thread not locked?

 
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Old 06-22-2022, 06:44 PM   #99
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would a bigot think a bigot is a bigot?

 
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Old 06-22-2022, 06:44 PM   #100
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obviously a bigot.

 
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Old 06-22-2022, 07:04 PM   #101
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That whole transphobic shit it ridiculous. His comments calling Devi an "ugly pig" and "she/he" were from what, 2011? I think it's fair to say that the world was very different then. The idea of identifiable pronouns were so far from being mainstream then that saying he's transphobic because of THAT is a stretch.

He's just a fucking prick that's annoying to work with. Why can't we just leave it at that? There's no credible evidence or even hearsay that he's homophobic. If he was so transphobic/homophobic, would he wear any of those stupid kimonos on stage?
Using someone's preferred pronouns when you know what they are was normal then. He was clearly being transphobic. He 100% knew how Devi identified and it was completely fucked up to use he/she like that.

 
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Old 06-22-2022, 07:26 PM   #102
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he said he/she/it

 
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Old 06-22-2022, 07:29 PM   #103
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Using someone's preferred pronouns when you know what they are was normal then. He was clearly being transphobic. He 100% knew how Devi identified and it was completely fucked up to use he/she like that.
Maybe so. There's no doubt he was being an absolute dick and those comments were uncalled for. I just question if that means he's truly a transphobic individual that hates trans people or just took a really low blow cheap shot. I also think it's unfair to take a statement from 2011 and say that Billy fired Nicole because she's gay.

 
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Old 06-22-2022, 07:54 PM   #104
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don't be nieve.

 
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Old 06-22-2022, 09:16 PM   #105
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Christ, I still feel like this is a "new" Smashing Pumpkins album. Yet it is as old now as Adore was when Zeitgeist came out.

 
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Old 06-22-2022, 09:17 PM   #106
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Then again, this might have something to do with the fact that it was the last SP album that I ever purchased and listened to.

 
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Old 06-22-2022, 10:38 PM   #107
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he threatened on twitter to beat the shit out of a trans woman, ruin her life, and he called her transphobic slurs.

Bill has a long history of transphobic behavior. Go read his live journal

 
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Old 06-22-2022, 10:41 PM   #108
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Devi doesn't even own her Pedal business anymore does she? Did she sell it to someone?

 
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Old 06-23-2022, 12:23 AM   #109
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She did a crowd funding thing for this pedal console thing. It was gonna be like an Atari looking thing and you could plug in different cartridges for different guitar pedal sounds. Tbh a cool idea. Then I believe she took the money, like 30k, and then never delivered the product. Somehow didn’t end up in jail over it either.

 
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Old 06-23-2022, 12:40 AM   #110
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I can't imagine actively choosing to listen to this with everything else at your disposal, Pumpkins or otherwise
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Old 06-23-2022, 12:43 AM   #111
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he threatened on twitter to beat the shit out of a trans woman, ruin her life, and he called her transphobic slurs.

Bill has a long history of transphobic behavior. Go read his live journal
Yep, in the 90s he threatened to break a trans woman's legs because she told people they hooked up, and then in the 2000s he told us all about it on LiveJournal. Didn't sound regretful at all.

Here's him being casually transphobic in 2019:


 
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Old 06-23-2022, 12:45 AM   #112
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There's no credible evidence or even hearsay that he's homophobic. If he was so transphobic/homophobic, would he wear any of those stupid kimonos on stage?
Like, one of his former girlfriends was a dominatrix, you know what I mean?

 
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Old 06-23-2022, 02:50 AM   #113
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Hmmm you're right, you seem way more phobic than Billy does.
Hey now, everyone’s a little phobic about something, mang.

 
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Old 06-23-2022, 07:34 AM   #114
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Yeah, good album.

 
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Old 06-23-2022, 11:39 AM   #115
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I doubt that, because she was an out lesbian before he hired her. He is a homophobe, though. So I'm sure being gay just made it easier for him to summarily fire her when he got angry at the world for not buying 10 million copies of Oceania.
I feel like the record sales and poorly attended arena tour were the crux of it. From the little bits we know, it sounds like exactly what Jimmy descried happening on the 20th Anniversary Tour. Billy got mad that the album, although well-received and selling well for a legacy band album in 2012, did not set the charts on fire and that people dared question his decision to play arenas that were a third full and then took it out on the band. Of course it wasn't the fact that, across the board, albums by old alternative rock bands don't sell like they did in the 1990s.

On top of all of that, Billy was coming off an album that was a major letdown (Zeitgeist), a 20th Anniversary Tour that alienated him from the press and causal fans, Jimmy leaving (the sole reason many people were willing to continue pretending this was Smashing Pumpkins), and a series of releases that made most people think he'd lost his fucking mind (TbK). Honestly, it's a compliment to him that the press accepted the album and praised it as much as they did, but I guess that was not enough for Billy's delusions of grandeur that it was immediately going to shoot him back to the top.

Again, I'm not interested enough to look it up, but I'd imagine this album sold about as well as any of the albums his peers released around the same time...

Also, in regards to DeviEver, that's Corgan in a nutshell. If he'd just not commented on the situation, or presented a reasonable response, he would have appeared the better person. Instead, he went into bully-mode. People here are right that pronouns were not as big a point of conversation then as they are now, but it was still obvious he made the "he/she/it" statement to be hateful. It's a testament to how little people cared about Billy Corgan in 2011 that the outburst did not receive attention.

 
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Old 06-23-2022, 11:45 AM   #116
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Maybe so. There's no doubt he was being an absolute dick and those comments were uncalled for. I just question if that means he's truly a transphobic individual that hates trans people or just took a really low blow cheap shot. I also think it's unfair to take a statement from 2011 and say that Billy fired Nicole because she's gay.
bill tweeted over and over and over at Devi. It wasn't one comment. He threatened to beat her and send lawyers to ruin her life. That's not a an off hand comment.

 
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Old 06-23-2022, 11:59 AM   #117
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so we agree that billy is trash and inevitably any minute now he's gonna get cancelled.

 
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Old 06-23-2022, 12:03 PM   #118
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Maybe so. There's no doubt he was being an absolute dick and those comments were uncalled for. I just question if that means he's truly a transphobic individual that hates trans people or just took a really low blow cheap shot. I also think it's unfair to take a statement from 2011 and say that Billy fired Nicole because she's gay.
Either he's transphobic and mas mad enough to put down his mask of not being transphobic or he's an extreme asshole that is not above identity attacks when he's mad.

Either way that makes him a POS. Maybe if he ever apologised I'd consider that he's not actually transphobic.

 
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Old 06-23-2022, 12:09 PM   #119
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Either way that makes him a POS. Maybe if he ever apologised I'd consider that he's not actually transphobic.
I thought he did apologize?

 
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false.
http://blastecho.com/nicole-fiorenti...hing-pumpkins/

But I'm sure you know more about it than she does. Or Billy Corgan. Or anyone associated with the band at that time.

 
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