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05-21-2021, 04:14 PM | #121 | |
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05-21-2021, 04:15 PM | #122 |
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any chance we can get fuzzy back?
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05-22-2021, 03:15 AM | #123 |
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Is that an extract from Billy’s memoir?
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05-22-2021, 11:19 PM | #124 |
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To be honest, I don't think Foo Fighters are that great. Dave Grohl seems like a cool dude. I just find a lot of popular radio rock music pretty bland. Their first album has a couple good tracks. The first album has some edge. Then they became just your usual radio rock pop act. I lump them in with bands like Bush, plopping out the same unchallenging rock. Not many rock bands can keep their edge. I don't hate them or anything. I just personally wouldn't seek out to put on an album by them. I just don't find their stuff that special.
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05-23-2021, 10:07 PM | #125 |
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05-24-2021, 12:29 AM | #126 |
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yeah, that must have been tough.
we're here for you, MyKeyZ |
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05-24-2021, 12:40 AM | #127 |
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yes we are
unlike world-reknowned ASSHOLE Dave Grohl who didn't even put known scribe & generational savior William Patrick into his little documentary about Chicago hot dogs or whatever #DaveGrohlDoesntCareAboutYou |
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05-24-2021, 12:58 AM | #128 |
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05-26-2021, 01:26 PM | #129 |
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Can anyone in this thread tell me when Billy Corgan last made a truly great album? Or even an above average album? Dave Grohl and Trent Reznor have maintained a certain standard for decades now.
I'm not really into Foo Fighters, but he's been doing his thing for awhile now, getting out from the shadow of Kurt for his entire life, filling stadiums, making music. Trent has been winning Oscars and Emmys, changing the landscape of the industry, all while staying true to himself but also evolving gracefully. Billy's been whining about nobody worshipping him like it's still 1995 without ever giving anyone a reason to do so. I'm something of a Zeitgeist apologist, but one universally maligned album in a sea of flaming shit in two decades is not exactly impressive. Also Robert Smith put out Bloodflowers over a decade past his prime. Billy has not released a Bloodflowers tier album since Machina. And The Cure were consistently solid from 1979-1992, putting out several more albums than BC in the same number of years. Shit, even 4:13 Dream is better than anything Billy's released post Machina, and that was in 2008. Would a .200 hitter with a bunch of home runs get into the Baseball Hall of Fame? No. Could a guy who hit consistently hit .270 for 15-20 years get in? Yeah. Billy Corgan is this guy : https://www.baseball-reference.com/p...dunnad01.shtml 2 all-star seasons Robert Smith is this guy: https://www.baseball-reference.com/p...andbry01.shtml tl;dr - no one care Last edited by killtrocity : 05-26-2021 at 01:41 PM. |
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05-26-2021, 05:27 PM | #130 |
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Billy may be an imperfect person who can't recognize his best qualities to save his life, and despite lots of lip service refuses to properly acknowledge the other Pumpkins for their contributions. Despite all of that, his output is light years ahead of where Dave or Trent will ever be. Dave could never deliver and Trent is just a creep.
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05-26-2021, 09:43 PM | #131 |
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Lol
Trent is precisely where Billy wishes he was, & has been for like 15-20 yrs & Dave's not far off |
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05-26-2021, 09:52 PM | #132 |
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They may happen to be more high profile artists at this point in time, but that doesn't mean they're anywhere close to SP quality.
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05-26-2021, 10:01 PM | #133 |
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05-26-2021, 10:07 PM | #134 |
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05-27-2021, 02:56 AM | #135 | |
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On Foo - 'been doing his thing for awhile now' is a pretty good summary of my long ass thread. Dave just hasn't done anything that different ever - because he can't. His songwriting depth isn't anywhere near as deep as that of BC. Shit, man: give me ONE song from his catalog that is anywhere as good as "To Forgive". There's just not. He gets about as deep/pretty as "Walking After You" or "Next Year". And while as said before, yeah - I like the Foo Fighters and bought a bunch of their stuff - it's just fundamentally not as good, to GreenGlynis' point... despite maybe having a longer, more consistent run. Maybe. On NIN - I don't dislike them and will wholly admit that I'm not nearly as versed in them as SP, but it's a one trick pony. Angsty electronic stuff with lyrics that are throughout the entire catalog as deep as about as shallow as Corgan ever gets, ie: "An Ode to No One", save the 'runaround girls in get-go cars' breakdown, as that is definitely outside of Trent's range. That said, will def give you the soundtrack thing. Trent does cool stuff there, and has definitely found a different horse that isn't the black NIN horse. |
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05-27-2021, 04:25 AM | #136 | |
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Dave was constantly harping on about how they made the album "on tape" and "in his garage" like a "real rock album". When literally all he did was move a multi-million dollar studio into his home. |
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05-27-2021, 05:42 AM | #137 |
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did someone just say Billy is an imperfect person?
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05-27-2021, 05:58 AM | #138 |
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clay and I*
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05-27-2021, 09:32 AM | #139 |
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you're welcome to join in yes!
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05-27-2021, 10:06 AM | #140 |
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thanks
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05-27-2021, 10:52 AM | #141 |
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And what's funny is that album still sounds compressed and Pro Tools'd to hell.
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05-27-2021, 10:59 PM | #142 |
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It's easily their best if you don't look at the first three. And even if you do, I think there's some arguments that it edges out one or two of those. It's not garage-y sounding, but nonetheless, it does have some great jams on there.
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05-28-2021, 02:21 AM | #143 |
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that's a good point and also i think it should be noted CYR is the best Smashing Pumpkins album ever if you don't look at anything pre-Shiny (but also, including Shiny)
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05-28-2021, 02:39 AM | #144 |
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Cyr is the best “smashen punkins” album
That came out in 2020 |
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05-28-2021, 02:41 AM | #145 |
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But mostly it’s insffuerable big willie vocal over passable synth soundscapes, with some flashes of the subtlety of which both jim/jim are capable, despite big willies musical halitosis
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05-28-2021, 05:27 PM | #146 |
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Dave Grohl's Foo Fighters entire catalogue sold less records than this one album, where he was just the drummer of the band:
Not really a qualification for any "Hall of Fame" -beside their generic noise... |
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05-28-2021, 06:41 PM | #147 |
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05-28-2021, 09:00 PM | #148 |
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he was still part of the record so i don't really see your pOH SHIT IT'S A CORGAN'S BLUFF POST, NEVERMIND GUYS. NEVERMIND.
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05-30-2021, 11:56 AM | #149 |
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06-18-2021, 06:14 AM | #150 |
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