Who would you want producing the Pumpkins?

GreenDogGlynis · 03-10-2021, 01:47 AM

Any young producers out there producing rock who would be a good fit for SP?

brothahi4L · 03-10-2021, 03:25 AM

Billy produces, so the question is for dreamers

GreenDogGlynis · 03-10-2021, 04:05 AM

Yeah, but since people are always saying a producer needs to get in there and help the band mold the material, I was wondering if there was anyone that people actually had in mind that could do this.

Cool As Ice Cream · 03-10-2021, 05:19 AM

however, just for once, for the sakes of unity, i wouldn't mind seeing an african american producer for this band.
i'm sure there's plenty of talented ones about..

Shallowed · 03-10-2021, 05:24 AM

Gordon Ramsey

eviltimeban · 03-10-2021, 05:41 AM

Danger Mouse might do something interesting with them.

Nigel Godrich, if they were to make a softer / dreamier album.

Not sure I'd want them to go down the Ryan Tedder / Mark Ronson route, that would just be pure sell out time.

Really, the one we all want is Butch.

Ram27 · 03-10-2021, 05:47 AM

yes but then i keep thinking about how he produced multiple recent foo fighters records

TheAlter · 03-10-2021, 07:43 AM

With SP, producers are more like sound engineers so i’d stick with the Flood, whose career is more or less in the same league as the Pumpkins now.

TheAlter · 03-10-2021, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by eviltimeban

Nigel Godrich, if they were to make a softer / dreamier album.

Really, the one we all want is Butch.

Godrich is a fucking genius but he’s an engineer turned member of Radiohead. He’s produced very little outside the giant work with his buddy Thom.

Butch would be great yeah, with golden age level songs.

jimmy drevpile · 03-10-2021, 09:41 AM

Whoever did the last mogwai record made them sound more like SP, than SP have sounded in donkeys years.... So them I guess?

Flood would do though; kinda in keeping with the whole "it's a trilogy" thing. Right?

eviltimeban · 03-10-2021, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by TheAlter

Godrich is a fucking genius but he’s an engineer turned member of Radiohead. He’s produced very little outside the giant work with his buddy Thom.

Butch would be great yeah, with golden age level songs.

Godrich has produced a load of stuff. Off the top of my head:

Paul McCartney
Beck
Air
Travis
Pavement
Roger Waters

TheAlter · 03-10-2021, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by eviltimeban

Godrich has produced a load of stuff. Off the top of my head:

Paul McCartney
Beck
Air
Travis
Pavement
Roger Waters

They’re big names but I wouldn’t call it a load of stuff especially since they’re almost all one off collabs or co-productions. For example during the same period Flood has done like 40-50 albums.

He really looks more like a member of Radiohead doing some work in his spare time.

Now picture him going from the Oxford guys to Bølly lmfao

eviltimeban · 03-10-2021, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by TheAlter

They’re big names but I wouldn’t call it a load of stuff especially since they’re almost all one off collabs or co-productions. For example during the same period Flood has done like 40-50 albums.

He really looks more like a member of Radiohead doing some work in his spare time.

Now picture him going from the Oxford guys to Bølly lmfao

That may be so, but he's done a bunch more engineering and mixing work too. Not just for Radiohead.

Plus all those records he did produce are excellent.

Never cared for Flood's production; I think some of the vocals on MCIS suffer as a result of that "the scratch take is the take" approach. The vox on SD and even Gish were far more considered and worked on (e.g. Billy's story about having to sing "she knows" for hours).

And as for Machina? Flood's role as a producer should've been to steer that ship but it got away from him and became a bit of a mess.

VoxUpDoc · 03-10-2021, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by eviltimeban

And as for Machina? Flood's role as a producer should've been to steer that ship but it got away from him and became a bit of a mess.

Machina is messy but it's parts are some of the best SP material, and the last time SP sounded like a current band with an artistic vision for a record. Problem is, it was too inaccessible and overproduced to connect with a mainstream audience. Compared to Zeitgeist, which just sounds bad even though the songs are direct and made for radio. Or Oceania which sounds likea flat facsimile of better material. And the rest of Corgan-produced stuff which is borderline unlistenable.

TheAlter · 03-10-2021, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by eviltimeban

That may be so, but he's done a bunch more engineering and mixing work too. Not just for Radiohead.

Plus all those records he did produce are excellent.

Never cared for Flood's production; I think some of the vocals on MCIS suffer as a result of that "the scratch take is the take" approach. The vox on SD and even Gish were far more considered and worked on (e.g. Billy's story about having to sing "she knows" for hours).

And as for Machina? Flood's role as a producer should've been to steer that ship but it got away from him and became a bit of a mess.

He's a genius wiithout a doubt. Talkie Walkie alone speaks volumes.

Poor Flood, Billy isn't really into collaborative work, it seems. In the golden era of the band that approach worked wonders but from Adore things gradually turned into a ghost ship.

Since he fired the good ole Kerry Brown it's been a circus.

SomaPhreak · 03-10-2021, 02:20 PM

Working with Flood and Alan Moulder on this one and then working with Butch on the next one in 2023 would be amazing.

eviltimeban · 03-10-2021, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by TheAlter

Talkie Walkie alone speaks volumes.

One of my favourite albums! If you like his work with Air you should check out "5:55" by Charlotte Gainsbourg, also produced by Godrich and written and performed by Air (you may already be familiar with it, apologies if so). It's an Air album in all but name.

I suppose it's also down to whether Flood, Moulder, or even Vig would want to work with Billy again. Probably not.

F**k it, I'm voting for Brian Eno. I would love to see Billy's reaction to Eno holding up those "Oblique Strategies" cards.

incubator · 03-11-2021, 06:26 AM

I like Ben Chisholm. Chelsea Wolfe, Mrs Piss and all that.
Jack Antonoff based on his stuff with St Vincent. I think St Vincent is basically what SP are trying to do..?
Christopher Juul. Myrkur, Heilung etc.
Will Putney. I like the sound of the Bodycounts "Carnivore" album. If SP wanted to go heavy again then this guys got it.
Paul Draper with PDub.

But really I'd like WPC to continue producing SP. I like Cotillions and Cyr, and think he's a good producer. I enjoy the journey.

Flood or Vig would be the worst.

TheAlter · 03-11-2021, 06:49 AM

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Originally Posted by eviltimeban

One of my favourite albums! If you like his work with Air you should check out "5:55" by Charlotte Gainsbourg, also produced by Godrich and written and performed by Air (you may already be familiar with it, apologies if so). It's an Air album in all but name.

I suppose it's also down to whether Flood, Moulder, or even Vig would want to work with Billy again. Probably not.

F**k it, I'm voting for Brian Eno. I would love to see Billy's reaction to Eno holding up those "Oblique Strategies" cards.

True 5:55 is another giant record, the Méliès soundtrack too! They are/were so brilliant. Let's just hope they've still got at least a couple of records in them and don't call it quits à la Daft Punk.

eviltimeban · 03-11-2021, 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by TheAlter

True 5:55 is another giant record, the Méliès soundtrack too! They are/were so brilliant. Let's just hope they've still got at least a couple of records in them and don't call it quits à la Daft Punk.

I'm taking it that they pretty much have. Besides a few odd projects here and there, the last "proper" Air studio album was in 2009.

They're both doing solo stuff now; Nicolas Godin's last album was just OK, very commercial leaning. I didn't really like the vocal tracks on it.

JB Dunckel's stuff is more Air-like, check out the album he made with Jonathan Fitoussi called "Mirages".

We really do have Air to thank for the whole "synthwave" genre; using all those vintage synths. If only Billy would do something like that - getting a real shoegaze / vaporwave sound going, but with live drums and the soft vocals of old. Ah one can dream.

Butt Pope · 03-11-2021, 11:02 AM

Dan Wilson

Butt Pope · 03-11-2021, 11:07 AM

Fat Mike

ninsp · 03-11-2021, 11:14 AM

Flood.

Joey Goldberg · 03-11-2021, 11:48 AM

am i the only one who thought Flood was always kind of an odd fit for Pumpkins? outside of Adore and parts of Machina, i guess. he made a lot more sense with Depeche, Nin & U2

but ya, would be better than just b0lly or b0lly + reuben by this point i reckon!

Butt Pope · 03-11-2021, 12:22 PM

Chuggo

Machinist · 03-11-2021, 12:35 PM

They should stop recording music until they start writing decent songs.

2 years pass:

BILLY: "THEN SOME GUY ON A MESSAGEBOARD SAID WE SHOULD JUST STOP RECORDING! SO I THOUGHT FUCK THAT GUY IM NOT RECORDING ANY MUSIC AGAIN."

smashingjj · 03-11-2021, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Greatvegetable

Frankie Siragusa who co-produced The Microdance's 'New Waves of Hope'.

we have a winner

epinson · 03-11-2021, 05:06 PM

Dave Sardy

Joey Goldberg · 03-11-2021, 07:03 PM

where can we contribute to the gofundme?

Joey Goldberg · 03-11-2021, 07:05 PM

srs answer tho: whoever was in charge of the last coupla JCC projects. if only so we can get a good fucking tone on the J-man's kit!

03-10-2021, 01:47 AM	#1
GreenDogGlynis Demi-God Posts: 454	Who would you want producing the Pumpkins? Any young producers out there producing rock who would be a good fit for SP?

03-10-2021, 02:20 PM	#16
SomaPhreak Ownz Posts: 547	Producers Working with Flood and Alan Moulder on this one and then working with Butch on the next one in 2023 would be amazing.

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03-10-2021, 03:25 AM	#2
brothahi4L Apocalyptic Poster Posts: 1,714	Billy produces, so the question is for dreamers

03-10-2021, 04:05 AM	#3
GreenDogGlynis Demi-God Posts: 454	Yeah, but since people are always saying a producer needs to get in there and help the band mold the material, I was wondering if there was anyone that people actually had in mind that could do this.

03-10-2021, 05:19 AM	#4
Cool As Ice Cream Just Hook it to My Veins! Location: František! How's the foot of your turtle? Posts: 32,743	however, just for once, for the sakes of unity, i wouldn't mind seeing an african american producer for this band. i'm sure there's plenty of talented ones about..

03-10-2021, 05:24 AM	#5
Shallowed Braindead Posts: 18,608	Gordon Ramsey

03-10-2021, 05:41 AM	#6
eviltimeban Apocalyptic Poster Posts: 2,143	Danger Mouse might do something interesting with them. Nigel Godrich, if they were to make a softer / dreamier album. Not sure I'd want them to go down the Ryan Tedder / Mark Ronson route, that would just be pure sell out time. Really, the one we all want is Butch.

03-10-2021, 05:47 AM	#7
Ram27 dumb Location: $8.6 million embezzled funds Posts: 11,368	yes but then i keep thinking about how he produced multiple recent foo fighters records

03-10-2021, 07:43 AM	#8
TheAlter Apocalyptic Poster Location: hey, motherfucker hey, superstar Posts: 3,287	With SP, producers are more like sound engineers so i’d stick with the Flood, whose career is more or less in the same league as the Pumpkins now.

03-10-2021, 09:41 AM	#10
jimmy drevpile Apocalyptic Poster Location: silphomusic.com Posts: 1,290	Whoever did the last mogwai record made them sound more like SP, than SP have sounded in donkeys years.... So them I guess? Flood would do though; kinda in keeping with the whole "it's a trilogy" thing. Right?

03-11-2021, 06:26 AM	#18
incubator Apocalyptic Poster Posts: 1,235	I like Ben Chisholm. Chelsea Wolfe, Mrs Piss and all that. Jack Antonoff based on his stuff with St Vincent. I think St Vincent is basically what SP are trying to do..? Christopher Juul. Myrkur, Heilung etc. Will Putney. I like the sound of the Bodycounts "Carnivore" album. If SP wanted to go heavy again then this guys got it. Paul Draper with PDub. But really I'd like WPC to continue producing SP. I like Cotillions and Cyr, and think he's a good producer. I enjoy the journey. Flood or Vig would be the worst.

03-11-2021, 11:02 AM	#21
Butt Pope Apocalyptic Poster Posts: 2,115	Dan Wilson

03-11-2021, 11:07 AM	#22
Butt Pope Apocalyptic Poster Posts: 2,115	Fat Mike

03-11-2021, 11:14 AM	#23
ninsp Apocalyptic Poster Posts: 3,720	Flood.

03-11-2021, 11:48 AM	#24
Joey Goldberg Minion of Satan Location: andy dick NAKED Posts: 8,229	am i the only one who thought Flood was always kind of an odd fit for Pumpkins? outside of Adore and parts of Machina, i guess. he made a lot more sense with Depeche, Nin & U2 but ya, would be better than just b0lly or b0lly + reuben by this point i reckon!

03-11-2021, 12:22 PM	#25
Butt Pope Apocalyptic Poster Posts: 2,115	Chuggo

03-11-2021, 12:35 PM	#26
Machinist Ownz Posts: 649	They should stop recording music until they start writing decent songs. 2 years pass: BILLY: "THEN SOME GUY ON A MESSAGEBOARD SAID WE SHOULD JUST STOP RECORDING! SO I THOUGHT FUCK THAT GUY IM NOT RECORDING ANY MUSIC AGAIN."

03-11-2021, 05:06 PM	#28
epinson Oblivious Virgin Posts: 34	Dave Sardy

03-11-2021, 07:03 PM	#29
Joey Goldberg Minion of Satan Location: andy dick NAKED Posts: 8,229	where can we contribute to the gofundme?

03-11-2021, 07:05 PM	#30
Joey Goldberg Minion of Satan Location: andy dick NAKED Posts: 8,229	srs answer tho: whoever was in charge of the last coupla JCC projects. if only so we can get a good fucking tone on the J-man's kit!