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Old 12-08-2012, 12:08 AM   #91
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stop talking about music guys. its a sad read for incredibly smart people like me.

 
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Old 12-08-2012, 12:20 AM   #92
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i'm definitely smarter than you are !

 
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Old 12-08-2012, 01:22 AM   #93
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no way this is sadder for me than it is you, you wouldnt last 5 minutes...

 
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Old 12-08-2012, 01:41 AM   #94
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i play guitar at java express and people like me, i have a girlfriend that lets me sex other women while she hops on other poles i am a volunteer i take care of retards i am a good person you are pathetic

 
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Old 12-08-2012, 01:49 AM   #95
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i had the mental strength to defeat herpes with my mind, cracked wheat and montel williams. so, you win. still sad.

 
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Old 12-09-2012, 12:48 AM   #96
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read the comments of the entry, I reposted them at zippyshare
ah, ok, dunno why i missed that

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without revolver would we have this?

that made me curious so i did a little google/wiki. all of VU&N except 'sunday morning' [rec'd nov 66] was rec'd in apr/may 66, before revolver was released [aug]
if i had to take a not incredibly educated guess i'd say 'highway 61 revisited' was a major infl. on that. and you know, other stuff of course.

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Old 12-09-2012, 11:20 AM   #97
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that made me curious so i did a little google/wiki. all of VU&N except 'sunday morning' [rec'd nov 66] was rec'd in apr/may 66, before revolver was released [aug]
if i had to take a not incredibly educated guess i'd say 'highway 61 revisited' was a major infl. on that. and you know, other stuff of course.
Hmm, I'd say that VU was definitely outside the mainstream when they initially occurred, in that they were uninterested in things that were going on, and most of the big players were either uninterested or didn't know about them until a decade later. You got The Beatles doing their thing, and then Dylan doing his thing, and they obviously influenced eachother into pushing forward. But then I'd say you have VU outside of those two, just doing their completely own thing, independent of what Dylan and The Beatles were doing.

So I don't think VU was influenced by The Beatles at all, nor is there any evidence to suggest that The Beatles even knew who VU were in the 60s. I think Trots' point was more that The Beatles too were pushing boundaries at the time, as well as many other artists.

 
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Old 12-12-2012, 10:56 PM   #98
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put the melvins and the pixies in the blender and you come out with nirvana. i didn't like them then, i absolutely detest them now. what overrated nostalgic teenage horseshit.
Some people say the same exact thing about pre-Adore Pumpkins.

 
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Old 12-13-2012, 07:36 AM   #99
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overexposed, i would say. oversaturated, absolutely. Over-rated? Pft. No.
god i was reading this thread and i wanted to make a point but couldn't articulate it to save my life. this hits the nail on the head

 
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Old 12-13-2012, 07:47 AM   #100
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all i mean about revolver and rubber soul and sgt peppers is that if those albums didn't break new ground would any label would have ever thought that was even commercially viable?

i guess VU&N is not the best example of that, considering its recording dates and the fact that it was a Warhol pet project, my apologies

but i feel i need to mention it in every single beatles discussion until the end of time because i dunno i think it deserves more lovin attention

 
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Old 12-13-2012, 07:48 AM   #101
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Some people say the same exact thing about pre-Adore Pumpkins.
is there a point here

 
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Old 12-13-2012, 07:52 AM   #102
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i think the point is that if a band rips off other bands, that doesn't make that band bad in some people's minds. you know, like how gish is basically cream or whatever. it's still pretty cool, and i do enjoy nirvana now and then.

 
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Old 12-13-2012, 07:54 AM   #103
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well mostly it's because 95% of nirvana "fans" don't know who those bands are at all

 
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Old 12-13-2012, 07:56 AM   #104
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hm maybe. all the people who listened to nirvana with me when we were 12 or something know the pixies and melvins though

 
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Old 12-13-2012, 07:57 AM   #105
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well horry for you?

pixies = oh the where is my mind band omg love that song on fite club
melvins = uh what

 
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Old 12-13-2012, 07:58 AM   #106
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regardless: fuck nirvana

 
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Old 12-13-2012, 07:59 AM   #107
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vat is ze 'horry' sir?

 
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Old 12-13-2012, 08:01 AM   #108
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it's hooray for spurs fans

 
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Old 12-14-2012, 06:49 PM   #109
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Nirvana was Black Sabbath infused R.E.M. through and through. Their Pixies influence is much more low-key than everyone makes out to be.

 
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Old 12-14-2012, 07:00 PM   #110
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In what way was Nirvana influenced by R.E.M.?

 
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Old 12-14-2012, 10:28 PM   #111
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that doesn't even make any fucking sense cowlishaw

 
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Old 12-15-2012, 01:56 PM   #112
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Nirvana was Black Sabbath infused R.E.M. through and through. Their Pixies influence is much more low-key than everyone makes out to be.
It was The Beatles. Krist's quote you are paraphrasing was Black Sabbath infused with The Beatles.

But Cobain has said he was influenced by REM, even though it's not musically apparent. Well Butch Vig said one of the Nevermind outtakes sounded like an REM song, and I think it was Verse Chorus Verse (In His Hands, etc).

 
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In what way was Nirvana influenced by R.E.M.?
Subdued but commercially viable pop sound, low-key tonality, "cryptic" lyrics, similar song structures (usually very basic). Add some fuzzy guitars to "The One I Love" and you essentially got yourself a Nirvana song.

 
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Old 12-15-2012, 09:38 PM   #114
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It was The Beatles. Krist's quote you are paraphrasing was Black Sabbath infused with The Beatles.

But Cobain has said he was influenced by REM, even though it's not musically apparent. Well Butch Vig said one of the Nevermind outtakes sounded like an REM song, and I think it was Verse Chorus Verse (In His Hands, etc).
I didn't know of Chris's quote. All I know is that R.E.M.'s major label albums were supposedly a template for Nevermind. I don't hear too many Beatle-esque songs. Maybe Lithium... About a Girl

 
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