New NME interview with Jimmy

Kahlo · 10-08-2018, 09:16 AM

Smashing Pumpkins’ Jimmy Chamberlin interviewed: ‘For the first time, the band is in alignment in every way’

Smashing Pumpkins‘ drummer Jimmy Chamberlain has spoken to NME in a rare interview about the band’s reunion, his relationship with Billy Corgan, and their plans for more new music and future tours.

Next month, the band will release their new album ‘Shiny and Oh So Bright, Vol. 1 / LP: No Past. No Future. No Sun’ – the first album to feature founding Pumpkins members Billy Corgan, James Iha, and Jimmy Chamberlin since 2000. While the line-up also features longtime collaborator and guitarist Jeff Schroeder and touring bassist Jack Bates (son of Joy Division and New Order legend Peter Hook.), original bassist D’Arcy Wretzky is not included as relations remain fraught between her and the band.

Before the band return to the UK for a huge gig at Wembley Arena, Chamberlin opened up about the band’s comeback and ambitions from here.

“We’d been talking about it for quite a while,” Chamberlin told NME about their reunion. “It had taken on a life of its own and these things don’t really become real until dates are announced. There were never any disagreements with regards to anyone’s willingness or desire to play. It was just a matter of waiting for the market to come around to have something to sink our teeth into. The LiveNation offer came around and everything just seemed to be in alignment.

“It made sense in every way: with the music, the setlist, the timing, the venues. It wasn’t a matter of thinking about it too much. We were like, ‘Come on, let’s do it’.”

Speaking about recent incarnations of the band existing without him, Chamberlin said: “It was never that big of a deal. We were still friends and mutually agreed that the band was not right for me at that point. I didn’t see myself fitting into that type of workload. I had young kids and just wanted to spend more time with them. That was the biggest part of it.

How would you describe the unique chemistry of you, Billy and James all being in a room together? How has that changed?

“It’s really the same. There’s a lot of chemistry there, but there’s so much that’ intangible that you don’t understand until we get back on stage together. When we play something like ‘Mayonnaise’ or ‘Soma’, there’s something about our interpretation of the music that just goes beyond description. The sum is greater than the parts. I don’t think anyone ever doubted anyone’s participation or importance in the music – it was personality issues that drove us apart. The music was something that we could always agree on.”

Interviews and live footage suggests a really peaceful and harmonious camp at the moment. Would you say that friendships are a strong factor in the band once again?

“Absolutely. Everybody has taken this journey in their own unique way. We all have kids, families, and the shared goals to raise our kids in a positive environment. Those kinds of relationships add to the accumulative holistic value of all of that. For the first time, the band is in alignment in every way: musically, socially and familially. The band has come together in a way that’s compassionate. There’s a lot of compassion, grace and appreciation for one another.”

There was an interesting interview with Billy earlier this year where he said he was ‘done playing the heel’, and that the egoist rockstar character of ‘Zero’ did not representative of him at all. Is he more zen now?

“Honestly for me, there’s never really been one Billy versus another. We’ve always had a great relationship. When we’ve disagreed, it’s always been a peaceful disagreement. We can always see each other’s point. There’s just really no point in being that way any more. Having been around for this long is no mean feat. We’ve all reached the point that we can just stand back and celebrate this in the most graceful way we know how.

“Has he changed? I mean we’ve all changed. I’ve got kids, James has got kids, Billy has children too. If that doesn’t change you then nothing will. It puts things in a different perspective where your time has more value than it ever did. How you want to spend your time is part of the decision-making process. We all said that we wanted the Pumpkins to exist in the most celebratory way we could think of.”

And times have changed. You’ve got a legacy to celebrate. You don’t need to think about the media spectacle or the headlines. You can just be Pumpkins.
“There was a cultural component to what went on in the ‘90s. As you get older your cultural connectivity changes. In the ‘90s you’re in the culture, part of it and reflecting it. As you get older, your instincts internalise and you start to reflect your own culture. That’s the biggest difference. We’re completely secure in our own cultural environment and comfortable making music in the context of that.”

D’Arcy’s absence has been pretty thoroughly explained. Was there ever a conversation to have Melissa Auf Der Maur involved or was it always going to be Jack Bates on bass?

“No, it was always going to be Jack. He’s a great musician and that was the deciding factor. Jack played with Billy and Jeff on the Manson tour. He’s entrenched in the band and knows the songs. The way that Jack plays is very reminiscent of the way that Billy played bass on a lot of the early Pumpkins stuff because he and James were really big Joy Division and New Order fans. A lot of those bass parts were mimicking Peter’s playing.

“To have Jack, who’s obviously genetically linked to Peter, there’s a real strange uncanniness to it. I mean it in the best possible way. Jack just gets how to play that stuff, which you can only get from being Peter Hook’s son! You don’t think about it until you’re on stage, then I’m like ‘Holy cow, this sounds so good. It sounds so right’. He’s a young man but his ability and perception is well beyond his years. We just played with Peter at our 30th anniversary show. We played a couple of Joy Division and New Order songs and it was amazing. He’s obviously a legend but also one of my all-time favourite people and bassists.”

What about your other guests at that show? What do you think it is about Chino Moreno, Davey Havok and Courtney Love that they have in common?

“We all came from the same space, musically. Chino is an incredible vocalist. He came in and killed it. We’d played with Davey in LA before, and Courtney’s always been hanging around. When you’re thinking about ‘who represents the peripheral thing of our cultural trip in the ‘90s’, who better represents that better than Courtney? We don’t try and make too much of a big thing about, it needed to be organic. We didn’t ask a million people, these are the better we wanted to participate. With them and The Killers guys, it was one of the most fun nights.”

Yeah, and you got the half of The Killers that won’t even play with The Killers.

“Right? There are those who are killing and those who have been killed! They’re amazing and super fun to play with. We’ve been friends for a long time.”

So to the new record, how representative would you say that ‘Solara’ and ‘Silvery Sometimes’ are of the album as a whole?

“They’re fairly representative of both sides of the spectrum of pop and rock, but there’s plenty in the middle. There’s some real Pink Floyd-y kinda stuff too. We never set out to make a record. The idea was to find a couple of songs that we could put out ahead of the tour, but then when Billy, Jeff, James and I got into the studio stuff just started happening. Over the course of three weeks we had 16 songs demoed. We picked eight to take to Rick Rubin, thinking that he would pick the best two for the single then he said ‘Well, all of these songs are great, we should just record them all’. I thought we’d be at the studio for a few days but we were there for a month. The songs fit together really nicely, and there’s certainly an eye to where we’re going to be going as well as a nod to where we’ve been.”

Rick Rubin said it feels like ‘classic’ Pumpkins. Do you feel that’s fair?
“That’s always a loaded question. What’s ‘classic Pumpkins’? To me it’s like ‘Cupid De Locke’ and those things more on the peripheral of what you expect. I’m sure Billy would agree that’s the ends of the parameters that define the band, rather than the stuff in the middle. If you call two guitars, bass and drums ‘classic Pumpkins’ then I guess it is.”

So it’s called ‘Volume One’, when can we hear ‘Volume Two’?

“Ha, come on man! Sometime next year hopefully. We’re talking about getting back into into the studio in January to work on some stuff. We’ve got some other projects going on. We’re going to re-release ‘Machina’ at some point, we’ve got all this unreleased material that we’re looking at too. We continue to write. Billy’s writing, I’m writing and James is too. We’ve got plenty of material, it’s just a question of logistics as well as what’s the best way to release this stuff in today’s marketplace? For a band that’s really album-centred, the market presents some interesting challenges. It’s a ‘one song streaming’ world, but our strength lies in compounding these grand bodies of work that all fit together somehow. There’s a lot of stuff coming down the pipe.”

Billy’s suggested it, but do you have visions of touring ‘Mellon Collie’ and ‘Machina’ in full?

“Again, we’re talking about it but in this day and age it’s all to easy to pontificate. It doesn’t became real until there’s a schedule, but we are doing about doing select cities with a ‘Gish’ tour, a ‘Siamese Dream’ tour. Then if that works out, yeah we’ll do ‘Mellon Collie’ and I would love to get to the point where we’re doing ‘Machina’ because that’s some of my favourite stuff to play. We’ll see what happens. There’s a lot of interest in the band doing these album retrospectives. Doing ‘Gish’, from a drummer’s perspective, would not only be challenging but a lot of fun.”

Why do you think that is? What is it that Pumpkins represent that might be missing elsewhere?

“There’s an honesty in the music that may or may not be part of the culture today. My wife’s brother is in his mid-20s and he and his friends have all been rediscovering this music for one reason or another. I don’t question if it’s ever the right time to pull the trigger, but people will always be interested to hear good music. How much good music is out there, and how many people from our generation are able to go out there, replicate it and represent it? We’ve lost a treasure trove of talent from our generation, which has become a real tragedy.”

Read more at https://www.nme.com/news/music/smash...sI1kcqQs8BE.99

TuralyonW3 · 10-08-2018, 09:41 AM

Just came here to post this, good stuff. Jimmy is always the most well spoken.

Oklahoma Sexual · 10-08-2018, 10:14 AM

boring

Cool As Ice Cream · 10-08-2018, 10:49 AM

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We all have kids, families, and the shared goals to raise our kids in a positive environment. Those kinds of relationships add to the accumulative holistic value of all of that. For the first time, the band is in alignment in every way: musically, socially and familially. The band has come together in a way that’s compassionate. There’s a lot of compassion, grace and appreciation for one another. Everybody has taken this journey in their own unique way. We all have kids, families, and the shared goals to raise our kids in a positive environment. Those kinds of relationships add to the accumulative holistic value of all of that. For the first time, the band is in alignment in every way: musically, socially and familially. The band has come together in a way that’s compassionate. There’s a lot of compassion, grace and appreciation for one another. Everybody has taken this journey in their own unique way. We all have kids, families, and the shared goals to raise our kids in a positive environment. Those kinds of relationships add to the accumulative holistic value of all of that. For the first time, the band is in alignment in every way: musically, socially and familially. The band has come together in a way that’s compassionate. There’s a lot of compassion, grace and appreciation for one another.

Kahlo · 10-08-2018, 10:51 AM

mmm, alignment. Sexy sexy alignment.

MonumentsRocks · 10-08-2018, 11:01 AM

> Was there ever a conversation to have Melissa Auf Der Maur involved or was it always going to be Jack Bates on bass?

> “No, it was always going to be Jack. He’s a great musician and that was the deciding factor.

Jimmy Chamberlain thinks Melissa Auf Der Maur is not a great musician. Jimmy is such a bomb thrower!

FoolofaTook · 10-08-2018, 11:07 AM

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We all have kids, families, and the shared goals to raise our kids in a positive environment. Those kinds of relationships add to the accumulative holistic value of all of that. For the first time, the band is in alignment in every way: musically, socially and familially. The band has come together in a way that’s compassionate. There’s a lot of compassion, grace and appreciation for one another. Everybody has taken this journey in their own unique way. We all have kids, families, and the shared goals to raise our kids in a positive environment. Those kinds of relationships add to the accumulative holistic value of all of that. For the first time, the band is in alignment in every way: musically, socially and familially. The band has come together in a way that’s compassionate. There’s a lot of compassion, grace and appreciation for one another. Everybody has taken this journey in their own unique way. We all have kids, families, and the shared goals to raise our kids in a positive environment. Those kinds of relationships add to the accumulative holistic value of all of that. For the first time, the band is in alignment in every way: musically, socially and familially. The band has come together in a way that’s compassionate. There’s a lot of compassion, grace and appreciation for one another. Everybody has taken this journey in their own unique way. We all have kids, families, and the shared goals to raise our kids in a positive environment. Those kinds of relationships add to the accumulative holistic value of all of that. For the first time, the band is in alignment in every way: musically, socially and familially. The band has come together in a way that’s compassionate. There’s a lot of compassion, grace and appreciation for one another. Everybody has taken this journey in their own unique way. We all have kids, families, and the shared goals to raise our kids in a positive environment. Those kinds of relationships add to the accumulative holistic value of all of that. For the first time, the band is in alignment in every way: musically, socially and familially. The band has come together in a way that’s compassionate. There’s a lot of compassion, grace and appreciation for one another. Everybody has taken this journey in their own unique way. We all have kids, families, and the shared goals to raise our kids in a positive environment. Those kinds of relationships add to the accumulative holistic value of all of that. For the first time, the band is in alignment in every way: musically, socially and familially. The band has come together in a way that’s compassionate. There’s a lot of compassion, grace and appreciation for one another. Everybody has taken this journey in their own unique way. We all have kids, families, and the shared goals to raise our kids in a positive environment. Those kinds of relationships add to the accumulative holistic value of all of that. For the first time, the band is in alignment in every way: musically, socially and familially. The band has come together in a way that’s compassionate. There’s a lot of compassion, grace and appreciation for one another. Everybody has taken this journey in their own unique way. We all have kids, families, and the shared goals to raise our kids in a positive environment. Those kinds of relationships add to the accumulative holistic value of all of that. For the first time, the band is in alignment in every way: musically, socially and familially. The band has come together in a way that’s compassionate. There’s a lot of compassion, grace and appreciation for one another. Everybody has taken this journey in their own unique way. We all have kids, families, and the shared goals to raise our kids in a positive environment. Those kinds of relationships add to the accumulative holistic value of all of that. For the first time, the band is in alignment in every way: musically, socially and familially. The band has come together in a way that’s compassionate. There’s a lot of compassion, grace and appreciation for one another. Everybody has taken this journey in their own unique way. We all have kids, families, and the shared goals to raise our kids in a positive environment. Those kinds of relationships add to the accumulative holistic value of all of that. For the first time, the band is in alignment in every way: musically, socially and familially. The band has come together in a way that’s compassionate. There’s a lot of compassion, grace and appreciation for one another. Everybody has taken this journey in their own unique way. We all have kids, families, and the shared goals to raise our kids in a positive environment. Those kinds of relationships add to the accumulative holistic value of all of that. For the first time, the band is in alignment in every way: musically, socially and familially. The band has come together in a way that’s compassionate. There’s a lot of compassion, grace and appreciation for one another. Everybody has taken this journey in their own unique way. We all have kids, families, and the shared goals to raise our kids in a positive environment. Those kinds of relationships add to the accumulative holistic value of all of that. For the first time, the band is in alignment in every way: musically, socially and familially. The band has come together in a way that’s compassionate. There’s a lot of compassion, grace and appreciation for one another. Everybody has taken this journey in their own unique way. We all have kids, families, and the shared goals to raise our kids in a positive environment. Those kinds of relationships add to the accumulative holistic value of all of that. For the first time, the band is in alignment in every way: musically, socially and familially. The band has come together in a way that’s compassionate. There’s a lot of compassion, grace and appreciation for one another.

FoolofaTook · 10-08-2018, 11:08 AM

translation: we are totally fake now and focused on making as much money as possible off of when we weren't quite so totally fake.

Kahlo · 10-08-2018, 11:13 AM

what I got from this interview: there aren't going to be any interesting interviews in this current incarnation.

MonumentsRocks · 10-08-2018, 11:19 AM

My read of this, and every other interview he's done lately: "James and I have kids, we're touring/session musicians who have been and could be replaced on a whim. I have zero intention of complaining about my boss."

Corgan's Bluff · 03:22 PM

Bla Bla Bla

https://www.nme.com/news/music/smash...ry-way-2387564

The questions still not being answered:

Why has only Corgan talked with D'arcy for two years?

Why she wasn't informed about the recording session last January?

Why she got told one month before the tour announcement, not to be involved as a full band member, if at all?

"...was it always going to be Jack Bates on bass?"
"...it was always going to be Jack."

Oklahoma Sexual · 10-08-2018, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Corgan's Bluff

Bla Bla Bla

Why she wasn't informed about the recording session last January?

exactly. if the big concern was her not being able to handle touring, why wasn't she then included in the recording of the new music? she could come and record bass parts at a more relaxed pace with less pressure and the new music would have a certain amount of authenticity related to the original four members creating it.

now it's being sold as "most of" or "three out of the original four Pumpkins" with "new music"! no, it's just b'arcy controlling everything again, right down to the narrative that jimmy is spewing.

nothing has changed. it's quite disheartening.

FoolofaTook · 10-08-2018, 12:45 PM

i'll tell you what's disheartening: you putting me on ignore

Corgan's Bluff · 10-08-2018, 12:49 PM

One reason for the "story of the day":
"The band play Wembley next week"

TUE 16 OCT 6PM
SSE Arena, Wembley
London

seetickets
£55.55
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Insight_Scoop · 10-08-2018, 01:02 PM

Op missed this:

Quote:

“I really liked the incarnation with Mike [Byrne, drummer] and Nicole [Fiorentino, bass], and thought Mike was a great drummer who represented the band really well.”
Read more at https://www.nme.com/news/music/smash...pADhWmhJ1is.99

MonumentsRocks · 01:09 PM

James and Jimmy have settled in as professional musicians who appreciate being gainfully employed, but it sounds like D'arcy doesn't really care to be involved with music, and her public comments contrast very sharply with this conciliatory interview given by Jimmy. I think that even if she was brought on for this tour or recording, the tensions would have been high, which would take a toll on everyone who had to share space with them.

Aside from Jimmy, who is a gift to drums, I don't think Corgan has ever ultimately brought back someone he had fired, otherwise. It's also been said that Billy played all the bass parts and that D'arcy went with it because the recording session went quicker that way. If true, she was functionally a touring musician, like all the other female bass players Billy hired subsequently. You add it all up and Billy would only begrudgingly bring her back to placate the critics, which explains why he didn't invite her to record, waited until the last second to tell her about the tour and then went out of his way to limit her involvement, even if she agreed to go along.

Ihaguitar · 10-08-2018, 01:26 PM

Everyone was in alignment, except D'arcy. She was being arsey.

incubator · 10-08-2018, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by MonumentsRocks

James and Jimmy have settled in as professional musicians who appreciate being gainfully employed, but it sounds like D'arcy doesn't really care to be involved with music, and her public comments contrast very sharply with this conciliatory interview given by Jimmy. I think that even if she was brought on for this tour or recording, the tensions would have been high, which would take a toll on everyone who had to share space with them.

Aside from Jimmy, who is a gift to drums, I don't think Corgan has ever ultimately brought back someone he had fired, otherwise. It's also been said that Billy played all the bass parts and that D'arcy went with it because the recording session went quicker that way. If true, she was functionally a touring musician, like all the other female bass players Billy hired subsequently. You add it all up and Billy would only begrudgingly bring her back to placate the critics, which explains why he didn't invite her to record, waited until the last second to tell her about the tour and then went out of his way to limit her involvement, even if she agreed to go along.

Flood is on record saying that darcy wrote xyu, ruby, jellybelly, beautiful, toase and a few others and that the vocals on MCIS (and probably SD) were the result of somehow merging d’arcy vocals with billys. This explains why Billy’s vocals haven’t sounded so good since she left and also his reluctance to perform certain songs and inability to write any new songs with “bite”.

incubator · 10-08-2018, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Oklahoma Sexual

exactly. if the big concern was her not being able to handle touring, why wasn't she then included in the recording of the new music? she could come and record bass parts at a more relaxed pace with less pressure and the new music would have a certain amount of authenticity related to the original four members creating it.

now it's being sold as "most of" or "three out of the original four Pumpkins" with "new music"! no, it's just b'arcy controlling everything again, right down to the narrative that jimmy is spewing.

nothing has changed. it's quite disheartening.

Maybe she was. We didn’t get the full texts right? All I can find is:

B: So we were in the studio with rick Rubin today..
D: who the rapper??
B: no the producer he did Danzig remember
D: oh I like Glenn he’s a sweet kid is he in the band
B: uuuuuh no. It’s be great if you could join us. I can book plane tickets and a driver for you
D: that’d be great
B: great! So you’re coming
D: uhmm no see I’m kinda watching the good wife on Netflix only my vcr is broke and also my cat has a sprained tail and I’m waiting for a delivery of uuuuh.. tea cups so
B: oh ok that’s bad about your cat I hope she feels better soon!
D: ok

Ihaguitar · 10-08-2018, 02:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by incubator

Flood is on record saying that darcy wrote xyu, ruby, jellybelly, beautiful, toase and a few others and that the vocals on MCIS (and probably SD) were the result of somehow merging d’arcy vocals with billys. This explains why Billy’s vocals haven’t sounded so good since she left and also his reluctance to perform certain songs and inability to write any new songs with “bite”.

I recall after MCIS was released Darcy said she had gone to a lot of effort doing backing vocals and then they were ditched.

Ihaguitar · 10-08-2018, 02:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by incubator

Maybe she was. We didn’t get the full texts right? All I can find is:

B: So we were in the studio with rick Rubin today..
D: who the rapper??
B: no the producer he did Danzig remember
D: oh I like Glenn he’s a sweet kid is he in the band
B: uuuuuh no. It’s be great if you could join us. I can book plane tickets and a driver for you
D: that’d be great
B: great! So you’re coming
D: uhmm no see I’m kinda watching the good wife on Netflix only my vcr is broke and also my cat has a sprained tail and I’m waiting for a delivery of uuuuh.. tea cups so
B: oh ok that’s bad about your cat I hope she feels better soon!
D: ok

She was probably in the stable riding her horse.

soniclovenoize · 10-08-2018, 02:23 PM

D'arcy's texts seem to suggest she couldn't come out to LA because of her shoulder issues...

WeilandFan · 10-08-2018, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by soniclovenoize

D'arcy's texts seem to suggest she couldn't come out to LA because of her shoulder issues...

Billy didn't know about her shoulder issues before not inviting her, and she would have been healed enough to do the recording.

Also I've been talking to D'arcy again recently, she's very busy with her work and doing good.

Oklahoma Sexual · 10-08-2018, 02:54 PM

i'm sorry for bringing up the d'arcy thing. that's such a dead horse. i wanted to call attention to how everything is billed as hunky-dory in the band, we all have children, life is so amazing, we're so mature now, etc.

it just bothers me, because everything is not okay in the band. everything is "ok" with BC, JC, and JI, but the "band" has not reformed. the three of them ignoring the elephant in the room and simply not talking about it in an honest way is... well it is what it is. i expected more from jimmy. you could argue he's taking the high road, but it's dishonest.

call it what it is. "the three of us are..." and then say whatever you want. stop calling it the pumpkins, because it's not.

MonumentsRocks · 10-08-2018, 03:24 PM

One thing I agree with about the interview is that having kids does seem to change people, and musician people. I can think of at least four of my favorite musical artists who went from writing some dark, sorrowful material to writing gentle sweet music about their new kids. The sad part about that is of course their output became a lot more sporadic once they were busy with a family. Buy maybe having two kids will mellow Billy out and he'll be a better team player by the time he hits sixty.

BTW, I didnt know James had kids. I know their private lives are private, but I have questions, how many and with who?

Regarding D'arcy singing, I've heard Daydream and Billy sings it much better https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnMqHTPBY6E . I can completely understand why her vocal parts might be scrapped, and Im sure we are all richer for it. Regarding her song writing, I feel that if there were real truth to that, D'arcy would have kept on making music after leaving the Pumpkins. Her own musical inactivity over the past twenty years speaks for itself.

soniclovenoize · 10-08-2018, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by WeilandFan

Also I've been talking to D'arcy again recently, and...

I don't care.

Corgan's Bluff · 10-08-2018, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by MonumentsRocks

I think that even if she was brought on for this tour or recording, the tensions would have been high, which would take a toll on everyone who had to share space with them.

It's also been said that Billy played all the bass parts and that D'arcy went with it because the recording session went quicker that way. If true, she was functionally a touring musician, like all the other female bass players Billy hired subsequently. You add it all up and Billy would only begrudgingly bring her back to placate the critics, which explains why he didn't invite her to record, waited until the last second to tell her about the tour and then went out of his way to limit her involvement, even if she agreed to go along.

They had agreed on the GISH album that Corgan could play all guitars. Because they had to pay these recording sessions by themselves.

When Corgan went on to do the same for SIAMESE DREAM, D'arcy wanted to leave the band, even had a miscarriage, she and her husband avoided then to talk about, being too personal for them.
The Mellon Collie album was the first time, she got really involved into the recordings, not only in band rehearsals for the recordings.

houseofglass11 · 10-08-2018, 03:47 PM

Interview with Jimmy

Jimmy: Positivity etc

Shadaloo · 10-08-2018, 04:56 PM

Only not SP f you think the band is entirely comprised of the original four members and can't function at all without them all present and 1997-2000 put the lie to that notion.

I don't dispute that her being back would add some focus but the reason the songs don't have bite is that they're coming from a group of people who don't have anything to prove and are just knocking out tunes for fun, and their figurehead is a 50 year old born again Christian who wears healing crystals and runs a tea shop. D'Arcy's presence wouldn't revitalize the music to the kind of degree expected. Even if she was around, nothing is ever, ever going to hit the heights of SD and MCIS ever again, period. We can also chalk that up to being well past the years where music imprinted on us more and we were less critical.

Are we really expecting Jimmy to say "yeah, we froze her out because Billy doesn't want anyone challenging him?" I'm sure a statement like that would do wonders for their PR. Lol

jakobtheliar · 10-08-2018, 05:12 PM

Whoa whoa whoa.....he RAN a tea shop.

It's out of business now.

10-08-2018, 09:16 AM	#1
Kahlo Registered User Posts: 17,539	New NME interview with Jimmy Smashing Pumpkins’ Jimmy Chamberlin interviewed: ‘For the first time, the band is in alignment in every way’ Smashing Pumpkins‘ drummer Jimmy Chamberlain has spoken to NME in a rare interview about the band’s reunion, his relationship with Billy Corgan, and their plans for more new music and future tours. Next month, the band will release their new album ‘Shiny and Oh So Bright, Vol. 1 / LP: No Past. No Future. No Sun’ – the first album to feature founding Pumpkins members Billy Corgan, James Iha, and Jimmy Chamberlin since 2000. While the line-up also features longtime collaborator and guitarist Jeff Schroeder and touring bassist Jack Bates (son of Joy Division and New Order legend Peter Hook.), original bassist D’Arcy Wretzky is not included as relations remain fraught between her and the band. Before the band return to the UK for a huge gig at Wembley Arena, Chamberlin opened up about the band’s comeback and ambitions from here. “We’d been talking about it for quite a while,” Chamberlin told NME about their reunion. “It had taken on a life of its own and these things don’t really become real until dates are announced. There were never any disagreements with regards to anyone’s willingness or desire to play. It was just a matter of waiting for the market to come around to have something to sink our teeth into. The LiveNation offer came around and everything just seemed to be in alignment. “It made sense in every way: with the music, the setlist, the timing, the venues. It wasn’t a matter of thinking about it too much. We were like, ‘Come on, let’s do it’.” Speaking about recent incarnations of the band existing without him, Chamberlin said: “It was never that big of a deal. We were still friends and mutually agreed that the band was not right for me at that point. I didn’t see myself fitting into that type of workload. I had young kids and just wanted to spend more time with them. That was the biggest part of it. How would you describe the unique chemistry of you, Billy and James all being in a room together? How has that changed? “It’s really the same. There’s a lot of chemistry there, but there’s so much that’ intangible that you don’t understand until we get back on stage together. When we play something like ‘Mayonnaise’ or ‘Soma’, there’s something about our interpretation of the music that just goes beyond description. The sum is greater than the parts. I don’t think anyone ever doubted anyone’s participation or importance in the music – it was personality issues that drove us apart. The music was something that we could always agree on.” Interviews and live footage suggests a really peaceful and harmonious camp at the moment. Would you say that friendships are a strong factor in the band once again? “Absolutely. Everybody has taken this journey in their own unique way. We all have kids, families, and the shared goals to raise our kids in a positive environment. Those kinds of relationships add to the accumulative holistic value of all of that. For the first time, the band is in alignment in every way: musically, socially and familially. The band has come together in a way that’s compassionate. There’s a lot of compassion, grace and appreciation for one another.” There was an interesting interview with Billy earlier this year where he said he was ‘done playing the heel’, and that the egoist rockstar character of ‘Zero’ did not representative of him at all. Is he more zen now? “Honestly for me, there’s never really been one Billy versus another. We’ve always had a great relationship. When we’ve disagreed, it’s always been a peaceful disagreement. We can always see each other’s point. There’s just really no point in being that way any more. Having been around for this long is no mean feat. We’ve all reached the point that we can just stand back and celebrate this in the most graceful way we know how. “Has he changed? I mean we’ve all changed. I’ve got kids, James has got kids, Billy has children too. If that doesn’t change you then nothing will. It puts things in a different perspective where your time has more value than it ever did. How you want to spend your time is part of the decision-making process. We all said that we wanted the Pumpkins to exist in the most celebratory way we could think of.” And times have changed. You’ve got a legacy to celebrate. You don’t need to think about the media spectacle or the headlines. You can just be Pumpkins. “There was a cultural component to what went on in the ‘90s. As you get older your cultural connectivity changes. In the ‘90s you’re in the culture, part of it and reflecting it. As you get older, your instincts internalise and you start to reflect your own culture. That’s the biggest difference. We’re completely secure in our own cultural environment and comfortable making music in the context of that.” D’Arcy’s absence has been pretty thoroughly explained. Was there ever a conversation to have Melissa Auf Der Maur involved or was it always going to be Jack Bates on bass? “No, it was always going to be Jack. He’s a great musician and that was the deciding factor. Jack played with Billy and Jeff on the Manson tour. He’s entrenched in the band and knows the songs. The way that Jack plays is very reminiscent of the way that Billy played bass on a lot of the early Pumpkins stuff because he and James were really big Joy Division and New Order fans. A lot of those bass parts were mimicking Peter’s playing. “To have Jack, who’s obviously genetically linked to Peter, there’s a real strange uncanniness to it. I mean it in the best possible way. Jack just gets how to play that stuff, which you can only get from being Peter Hook’s son! You don’t think about it until you’re on stage, then I’m like ‘Holy cow, this sounds so good. It sounds so right’. He’s a young man but his ability and perception is well beyond his years. We just played with Peter at our 30th anniversary show. We played a couple of Joy Division and New Order songs and it was amazing. He’s obviously a legend but also one of my all-time favourite people and bassists.” What about your other guests at that show? What do you think it is about Chino Moreno, Davey Havok and Courtney Love that they have in common? “We all came from the same space, musically. Chino is an incredible vocalist. He came in and killed it. We’d played with Davey in LA before, and Courtney’s always been hanging around. When you’re thinking about ‘who represents the peripheral thing of our cultural trip in the ‘90s’, who better represents that better than Courtney? We don’t try and make too much of a big thing about, it needed to be organic. We didn’t ask a million people, these are the better we wanted to participate. With them and The Killers guys, it was one of the most fun nights.” Yeah, and you got the half of The Killers that won’t even play with The Killers. “Right? There are those who are killing and those who have been killed! They’re amazing and super fun to play with. We’ve been friends for a long time.” So to the new record, how representative would you say that ‘Solara’ and ‘Silvery Sometimes’ are of the album as a whole? “They’re fairly representative of both sides of the spectrum of pop and rock, but there’s plenty in the middle. There’s some real Pink Floyd-y kinda stuff too. We never set out to make a record. The idea was to find a couple of songs that we could put out ahead of the tour, but then when Billy, Jeff, James and I got into the studio stuff just started happening. Over the course of three weeks we had 16 songs demoed. We picked eight to take to Rick Rubin, thinking that he would pick the best two for the single then he said ‘Well, all of these songs are great, we should just record them all’. I thought we’d be at the studio for a few days but we were there for a month. The songs fit together really nicely, and there’s certainly an eye to where we’re going to be going as well as a nod to where we’ve been.” Rick Rubin said it feels like ‘classic’ Pumpkins. Do you feel that’s fair? “That’s always a loaded question. What’s ‘classic Pumpkins’? To me it’s like ‘Cupid De Locke’ and those things more on the peripheral of what you expect. I’m sure Billy would agree that’s the ends of the parameters that define the band, rather than the stuff in the middle. If you call two guitars, bass and drums ‘classic Pumpkins’ then I guess it is.” So it’s called ‘Volume One’, when can we hear ‘Volume Two’? “Ha, come on man! Sometime next year hopefully. We’re talking about getting back into into the studio in January to work on some stuff. We’ve got some other projects going on. We’re going to re-release ‘Machina’ at some point, we’ve got all this unreleased material that we’re looking at too. We continue to write. Billy’s writing, I’m writing and James is too. We’ve got plenty of material, it’s just a question of logistics as well as what’s the best way to release this stuff in today’s marketplace? For a band that’s really album-centred, the market presents some interesting challenges. It’s a ‘one song streaming’ world, but our strength lies in compounding these grand bodies of work that all fit together somehow. There’s a lot of stuff coming down the pipe.” Billy’s suggested it, but do you have visions of touring ‘Mellon Collie’ and ‘Machina’ in full? “Again, we’re talking about it but in this day and age it’s all to easy to pontificate. It doesn’t became real until there’s a schedule, but we are doing about doing select cities with a ‘Gish’ tour, a ‘Siamese Dream’ tour. Then if that works out, yeah we’ll do ‘Mellon Collie’ and I would love to get to the point where we’re doing ‘Machina’ because that’s some of my favourite stuff to play. We’ll see what happens. There’s a lot of interest in the band doing these album retrospectives. Doing ‘Gish’, from a drummer’s perspective, would not only be challenging but a lot of fun.” Why do you think that is? What is it that Pumpkins represent that might be missing elsewhere? “There’s an honesty in the music that may or may not be part of the culture today. My wife’s brother is in his mid-20s and he and his friends have all been rediscovering this music for one reason or another. I don’t question if it’s ever the right time to pull the trigger, but people will always be interested to hear good music. How much good music is out there, and how many people from our generation are able to go out there, replicate it and represent it? We’ve lost a treasure trove of talent from our generation, which has become a real tragedy.” Read more at https://www.nme.com/news/music/smash...sI1kcqQs8BE.99

10-08-2018, 12:16 PM	#11
Corgan's Bluff Minion of Satan Location: COVID-19 Tour. The show must go on. Posts: 5,029	Bla Bla Bla https://www.nme.com/news/music/smash...ry-way-2387564 The questions still not being answered: Why has only Corgan talked with D'arcy for two years? Why she wasn't informed about the recording session last January? Why she got told one month before the tour announcement, not to be involved as a full band member, if at all? "...was it always going to be Jack Bates on bass?" "...it was always going to be Jack." Last edited by Corgan's Bluff : 10-08-2018 at 03:22 PM.

10-08-2018, 01:04 PM	#16
MonumentsRocks Ownz Posts: 633	James and Jimmy have settled in as professional musicians who appreciate being gainfully employed, but it sounds like D'arcy doesn't really care to be involved with music, and her public comments contrast very sharply with this conciliatory interview given by Jimmy. I think that even if she was brought on for this tour or recording, the tensions would have been high, which would take a toll on everyone who had to share space with them. Aside from Jimmy, who is a gift to drums, I don't think Corgan has ever ultimately brought back someone he had fired, otherwise. It's also been said that Billy played all the bass parts and that D'arcy went with it because the recording session went quicker that way. If true, she was functionally a touring musician, like all the other female bass players Billy hired subsequently. You add it all up and Billy would only begrudgingly bring her back to placate the critics, which explains why he didn't invite her to record, waited until the last second to tell her about the tour and then went out of his way to limit her involvement, even if she agreed to go along. Last edited by MonumentsRocks : 10-08-2018 at 01:09 PM.

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10-08-2018, 09:41 AM	#2
TuralyonW3 Immortal Posts: 25,625	Just came here to post this, good stuff. Jimmy is always the most well spoken.

10-08-2018, 10:14 AM	#3
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10-08-2018, 10:49 AM	#4
Cool As Ice Cream Just Hook it to My Veins! Location: František! How's the foot of your turtle? Posts: 32,595	Everybody has taken this journey in their own unique way. We all have kids, families, and the shared goals to raise our kids in a positive environment. Those kinds of relationships add to the accumulative holistic value of all of that. For the first time, the band is in alignment in every way: musically, socially and familially. The band has come together in a way that’s compassionate. There’s a lot of compassion, grace and appreciation for one another. Everybody has taken this journey in their own unique way. We all have kids, families, and the shared goals to raise our kids in a positive environment. Those kinds of relationships add to the accumulative holistic value of all of that. For the first time, the band is in alignment in every way: musically, socially and familially. The band has come together in a way that’s compassionate. 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Everybody has taken this journey in their own unique way. We all have kids, families, and the shared goals to raise our kids in a positive environment. Those kinds of relationships add to the accumulative holistic value of all of that. For the first time, the band is in alignment in every way: musically, socially and familially. The band has come together in a way that’s compassionate. There’s a lot of compassion, grace and appreciation for one another. Everybody has taken this journey in their own unique way. We all have kids, families, and the shared goals to raise our kids in a positive environment. Those kinds of relationships add to the accumulative holistic value of all of that. For the first time, the band is in alignment in every way: musically, socially and familially. The band has come together in a way that’s compassionate. There’s a lot of compassion, grace and appreciation for one another. Everybody has taken this journey in their own unique way. 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We all have kids, families, and the shared goals to raise our kids in a positive environment. Those kinds of relationships add to the accumulative holistic value of all of that. For the first time, the band is in alignment in every way: musically, socially and familially. The band has come together in a way that’s compassionate. There’s a lot of compassion, grace and appreciation for one another. Everybody has taken this journey in their own unique way. We all have kids, families, and the shared goals to raise our kids in a positive environment. Those kinds of relationships add to the accumulative holistic value of all of that. For the first time, the band is in alignment in every way: musically, socially and familially. The band has come together in a way that’s compassionate. There’s a lot of compassion, grace and appreciation for one another. Everybody has taken this journey in their own unique way. 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10-08-2018, 10:51 AM	#5
Kahlo Registered User Posts: 17,539	mmm, alignment. Sexy sexy alignment.

10-08-2018, 11:01 AM	#6
MonumentsRocks Ownz Posts: 633	> Was there ever a conversation to have Melissa Auf Der Maur involved or was it always going to be Jack Bates on bass? > “No, it was always going to be Jack. He’s a great musician and that was the deciding factor. Jimmy Chamberlain thinks Melissa Auf Der Maur is not a great musician. Jimmy is such a bomb thrower!

10-08-2018, 11:07 AM	#7
FoolofaTook Just Hook it to My Veins! Location: Donald Trump of Netphoria Posts: 37,195	Everybody has taken this journey in their own unique way. We all have kids, families, and the shared goals to raise our kids in a positive environment. Those kinds of relationships add to the accumulative holistic value of all of that. For the first time, the band is in alignment in every way: musically, socially and familially. The band has come together in a way that’s compassionate. There’s a lot of compassion, grace and appreciation for one another. Everybody has taken this journey in their own unique way. We all have kids, families, and the shared goals to raise our kids in a positive environment. Those kinds of relationships add to the accumulative holistic value of all of that. For the first time, the band is in alignment in every way: musically, socially and familially. The band has come together in a way that’s compassionate. There’s a lot of compassion, grace and appreciation for one another. Everybody has taken this journey in their own unique way. We all have kids, families, and the shared goals to raise our kids in a positive environment. Those kinds of relationships add to the accumulative holistic value of all of that. For the first time, the band is in alignment in every way: musically, socially and familially. The band has come together in a way that’s compassionate. There’s a lot of compassion, grace and appreciation for one another. Everybody has taken this journey in their own unique way. We all have kids, families, and the shared goals to raise our kids in a positive environment. Those kinds of relationships add to the accumulative holistic value of all of that. For the first time, the band is in alignment in every way: musically, socially and familially. The band has come together in a way that’s compassionate. There’s a lot of compassion, grace and appreciation for one another. Everybody has taken this journey in their own unique way. We all have kids, families, and the shared goals to raise our kids in a positive environment. Those kinds of relationships add to the accumulative holistic value of all of that. For the first time, the band is in alignment in every way: musically, socially and familially. The band has come together in a way that’s compassionate. There’s a lot of compassion, grace and appreciation for one another. Everybody has taken this journey in their own unique way. We all have kids, families, and the shared goals to raise our kids in a positive environment. Those kinds of relationships add to the accumulative holistic value of all of that. For the first time, the band is in alignment in every way: musically, socially and familially. The band has come together in a way that’s compassionate. There’s a lot of compassion, grace and appreciation for one another. Everybody has taken this journey in their own unique way. We all have kids, families, and the shared goals to raise our kids in a positive environment. Those kinds of relationships add to the accumulative holistic value of all of that. For the first time, the band is in alignment in every way: musically, socially and familially. The band has come together in a way that’s compassionate. There’s a lot of compassion, grace and appreciation for one another. Everybody has taken this journey in their own unique way. We all have kids, families, and the shared goals to raise our kids in a positive environment. Those kinds of relationships add to the accumulative holistic value of all of that. For the first time, the band is in alignment in every way: musically, socially and familially. The band has come together in a way that’s compassionate. There’s a lot of compassion, grace and appreciation for one another. Everybody has taken this journey in their own unique way. We all have kids, families, and the shared goals to raise our kids in a positive environment. Those kinds of relationships add to the accumulative holistic value of all of that. For the first time, the band is in alignment in every way: musically, socially and familially. The band has come together in a way that’s compassionate. There’s a lot of compassion, grace and appreciation for one another. Everybody has taken this journey in their own unique way. We all have kids, families, and the shared goals to raise our kids in a positive environment. Those kinds of relationships add to the accumulative holistic value of all of that. For the first time, the band is in alignment in every way: musically, socially and familially. The band has come together in a way that’s compassionate. There’s a lot of compassion, grace and appreciation for one another. Everybody has taken this journey in their own unique way. We all have kids, families, and the shared goals to raise our kids in a positive environment. Those kinds of relationships add to the accumulative holistic value of all of that. For the first time, the band is in alignment in every way: musically, socially and familially. The band has come together in a way that’s compassionate. There’s a lot of compassion, grace and appreciation for one another. Everybody has taken this journey in their own unique way. We all have kids, families, and the shared goals to raise our kids in a positive environment. Those kinds of relationships add to the accumulative holistic value of all of that. For the first time, the band is in alignment in every way: musically, socially and familially. The band has come together in a way that’s compassionate. There’s a lot of compassion, grace and appreciation for one another. Everybody has taken this journey in their own unique way. We all have kids, families, and the shared goals to raise our kids in a positive environment. Those kinds of relationships add to the accumulative holistic value of all of that. For the first time, the band is in alignment in every way: musically, socially and familially. The band has come together in a way that’s compassionate. There’s a lot of compassion, grace and appreciation for one another. Everybody has taken this journey in their own unique way. We all have kids, families, and the shared goals to raise our kids in a positive environment. Those kinds of relationships add to the accumulative holistic value of all of that. For the first time, the band is in alignment in every way: musically, socially and familially. The band has come together in a way that’s compassionate. There’s a lot of compassion, grace and appreciation for one another. Everybody has taken this journey in their own unique way. We all have kids, families, and the shared goals to raise our kids in a positive environment. Those kinds of relationships add to the accumulative holistic value of all of that. For the first time, the band is in alignment in every way: musically, socially and familially. The band has come together in a way that’s compassionate. There’s a lot of compassion, grace and appreciation for one another. Everybody has taken this journey in their own unique way. We all have kids, families, and the shared goals to raise our kids in a positive environment. Those kinds of relationships add to the accumulative holistic value of all of that. For the first time, the band is in alignment in every way: musically, socially and familially. The band has come together in a way that’s compassionate. There’s a lot of compassion, grace and appreciation for one another. Everybody has taken this journey in their own unique way. We all have kids, families, and the shared goals to raise our kids in a positive environment. Those kinds of relationships add to the accumulative holistic value of all of that. For the first time, the band is in alignment in every way: musically, socially and familially. The band has come together in a way that’s compassionate. There’s a lot of compassion, grace and appreciation for one another.

10-08-2018, 11:08 AM	#8
FoolofaTook Just Hook it to My Veins! Location: Donald Trump of Netphoria Posts: 37,195	translation: we are totally fake now and focused on making as much money as possible off of when we weren't quite so totally fake.

10-08-2018, 11:13 AM	#9
Kahlo Registered User Posts: 17,539	what I got from this interview: there aren't going to be any interesting interviews in this current incarnation.

10-08-2018, 11:19 AM	#10
MonumentsRocks Ownz Posts: 633	My read of this, and every other interview he's done lately: "James and I have kids, we're touring/session musicians who have been and could be replaced on a whim. I have zero intention of complaining about my boss."

10-08-2018, 12:45 PM	#13
FoolofaTook Just Hook it to My Veins! Location: Donald Trump of Netphoria Posts: 37,195	i'll tell you what's disheartening: you putting me on ignore

10-08-2018, 12:49 PM	#14
Corgan's Bluff Minion of Satan Location: COVID-19 Tour. The show must go on. Posts: 5,029	One reason for the "story of the day": "The band play Wembley next week" TUE 16 OCT 6PM SSE Arena, Wembley London seetickets £55.55 BOOK ticketmaster £77.55 BOOK

10-08-2018, 01:26 PM	#17
Ihaguitar Apocalyptic Poster Posts: 2,258	Everyone was in alignment, except D'arcy. She was being arsey.

10-08-2018, 02:23 PM	#22
soniclovenoize Minion of Satan Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 5,595	D'arcy's texts seem to suggest she couldn't come out to LA because of her shoulder issues...

10-08-2018, 02:54 PM	#24
Oklahoma Sexual Apocalyptic Poster Posts: 1,579	i'm sorry for bringing up the d'arcy thing. that's such a dead horse. i wanted to call attention to how everything is billed as hunky-dory in the band, we all have children, life is so amazing, we're so mature now, etc. it just bothers me, because everything is not okay in the band. everything is "ok" with BC, JC, and JI, but the "band" has not reformed. the three of them ignoring the elephant in the room and simply not talking about it in an honest way is... well it is what it is. i expected more from jimmy. you could argue he's taking the high road, but it's dishonest. call it what it is. "the three of us are..." and then say whatever you want. stop calling it the pumpkins, because it's not.

10-08-2018, 03:24 PM	#25
MonumentsRocks Ownz Posts: 633	One thing I agree with about the interview is that having kids does seem to change people, and musician people. I can think of at least four of my favorite musical artists who went from writing some dark, sorrowful material to writing gentle sweet music about their new kids. The sad part about that is of course their output became a lot more sporadic once they were busy with a family. Buy maybe having two kids will mellow Billy out and he'll be a better team player by the time he hits sixty. BTW, I didnt know James had kids. I know their private lives are private, but I have questions, how many and with who? Regarding D'arcy singing, I've heard Daydream and Billy sings it much better https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnMqHTPBY6E . I can completely understand why her vocal parts might be scrapped, and Im sure we are all richer for it. Regarding her song writing, I feel that if there were real truth to that, D'arcy would have kept on making music after leaving the Pumpkins. Her own musical inactivity over the past twenty years speaks for itself.

10-08-2018, 03:47 PM	#28
houseofglass11 Apocalyptic Poster Posts: 4,993	Interview with Jimmy Jimmy: Positivity etc

10-08-2018, 04:56 PM	#29
Shadaloo Apocalyptic Poster Location: up on the cross you go little fella Posts: 2,658	Only not SP f you think the band is entirely comprised of the original four members and can't function at all without them all present and 1997-2000 put the lie to that notion. I don't dispute that her being back would add some focus but the reason the songs don't have bite is that they're coming from a group of people who don't have anything to prove and are just knocking out tunes for fun, and their figurehead is a 50 year old born again Christian who wears healing crystals and runs a tea shop. D'Arcy's presence wouldn't revitalize the music to the kind of degree expected. Even if she was around, nothing is ever, ever going to hit the heights of SD and MCIS ever again, period. We can also chalk that up to being well past the years where music imprinted on us more and we were less critical. Are we really expecting Jimmy to say "yeah, we froze her out because Billy doesn't want anyone challenging him?" I'm sure a statement like that would do wonders for their PR. Lol

10-08-2018, 05:12 PM	#30
jakobtheliar Demi-God Location: a house in new orleans Posts: 352	Whoa whoa whoa.....he RAN a tea shop. It's out of business now.