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06-05-2023, 12:11 PM | #61 |
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I still think Zwan broke up because Billy thought he and Paz had something going. All those press pics of her sitting in his lap would indicate such. That free spirit couldn’t be kept in his cage and he went with the nuclear option. Makes sense she was apparently the first one fired.
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06-05-2023, 12:19 PM | #62 |
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Maybe everyone in Zwan, with Jimmy being the exception, was a dick
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06-05-2023, 03:18 PM | #63 |
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this is it folks
also my favorite zwan memory is easily from the first show boot, where someone keeps yelling 'james on bass!!' upon seeing pajo loll |
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06-05-2023, 08:16 PM | #64 | |
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Also always thought that "Christian rock" tag was misguided and myopic |
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06-05-2023, 09:06 PM | #65 |
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The album title and artwork certainly didn’t help with the Christian rock tag. Also ‘Lyric’ being a single, I mean, it does sound like Christian rock. Basically Zwan was just very uncool. He took some very cool indie musicians who did care about their cred and pedigree and had worked for that and had them join the un-coolest band ever.
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06-05-2023, 09:29 PM | #66 | |
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06-06-2023, 06:01 PM | #67 | |
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06-06-2023, 06:41 PM | #68 |
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It was indeed the biggest pissing away of indie groundswell possibly ever.
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06-06-2023, 06:44 PM | #69 |
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As someone who has no real understanding of Zwan barring the album and the high school drama and such, what was so rad about the live stuff that made people think the record was such a let down? Just curious as I’ve never really done a Zwan deep dive. What are best tracks/recordings/etc.?
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06-06-2023, 07:31 PM | #70 | |
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the record but the earlier you go you'll find the truth https://archive.org/details/zwan2003...webamp=default |
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06-06-2023, 09:17 PM | #71 | |
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https://archive.org/details/zwan2001-11-16.shn This is the essential recording here. Their debut. https://archive.org/details/zwan2001-11-21-Roth.shnf I really enjoy this one as well. Sweeney uses a dirtier tone for some of the quieter songs like The Shining Path. The show sounds distinct despite the similar setlist. Definitely not a carbon copy. December 2001 Djali Zwan tour: https://archive.org/details/zwan2001-12-14b.shnf If you only listen to one Djali show from this tour, this would be it, but check out these other two as well (between the three of them, you get all songs from all four gigs they played): https://archive.org/details/zwan2001....quinto.flac16 https://archive.org/details/zwan2001...-quinto.flac16 April 2002 True Poets tour (Paz joins here): https://archive.org/details/zwan2002-04-14.4060.flac16 Imho the best of the bunch. https://archive.org/details/zwan2002-04-07.4060.flac16 https://archive.org/details/zwan2002-04-08.4060.flac16 Check these out for a couple of other songs like Signal This Strong, I Know My Time Is Coming, and Dust My Broom. Jack Sweeney's Open Mic Nights at The Hideout Lots of cool gems here from the period when they were in studio. These are not on the Live Music Archive, but I'm sure someone will share them if you're interested. December 2002 warm-up gigs for MSOTS release: https://archive.org/details/zwan2002-12-19.flacf It was on this tour that we first listened to a a couple of the songs that ended up in the album (Declarations of Faith, Mary Star of the Sea) January 2003 5-Night-Stand at the Metro for album release: https://archive.org/details/zwan2003-01-23.quinto.shn They were already starting to branch out from the album here, introducing songs like Friends as Lovers and Riverview. Post-album release: https://archive.org/details/zwan2003-02-08.flac16 https://archive.org/details/zwan2003....watson.flac16 Both essential. This is an FM recording of the Café de la Dense gig, which sounds best, but you can also get the rest of the songs here: https://archive.org/details/zwan2003-02-08.shn |
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06-07-2023, 01:22 AM | #72 |
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holy fucking shit, i've made like 3 threads about cafe de la danse and didn't know there was an FM copy!!
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06-07-2023, 05:18 AM | #73 |
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An even better pre-FM source also exists! Sadly I only have a lossy copy, and the Internet Archive only has the 13 remaster of it: https://archive.org/details/zwan2003-02-08
I'd actually really appreciate it if anyone could share a lossless, pre-13, pre-FM copy. |
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06-07-2023, 07:49 AM | #74 |
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Zwan Live at Nuke Festival on 2003-06-13:
https://archive.org/details/zwan2003...flac16/02.flac I think this was their last show. FM sourced with only Lyric being a bit weird at the beginning. Well worth a listen! A regular go-to. |
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06-07-2023, 07:25 PM | #75 | |
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06-08-2023, 06:01 PM | #76 | |
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06-08-2023, 06:14 PM | #77 |
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Do you think Paz has plantar warts
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06-08-2023, 07:41 PM | #78 |
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just to clarify for the cliff notes - david alleges that pajo was fired and then he was asked to play bass but didn't respond so then the band broke up
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06-09-2023, 07:25 AM | #79 | |
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Bill asked Pajo to play bass again Pajo didn't reply I, for one, would have loved Pajo back on bass Skullfisher style. |
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06-09-2023, 08:36 AM | #80 |
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Billy and Jimmy starting a band immediately after the pumpkins disbanded was a bad idea. I think Billy only realised that when it was too late, contracts had already been signed and the band already had an "indie superband" status. As Billy said a little while ago, Zwan should have been kept as a side project, playing live concerts and nothing else.
I imagine it wasn't easy for the other members to work with a duo that had been playing together for over 10 years, and with such an intense relationship. There is no indication that Paz was fired. Tensions between Billy and Pajo were always very evident and I doubt that Billy would ask Pajo to continue on bass or that his refusal would be the reason to end the band. The relationship between them deteriorated over time and there was nothing that could keep them together any longer as the bound within the Pumpkins, which kept them together despite all the trouble. Billy's reaction to that was to quit and start working on a solo album. Last edited by Forgotten Child : 06-09-2023 at 10:22 AM. |
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06-09-2023, 10:03 AM | #81 |
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The indie groundswell was undeniable.
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06-09-2023, 11:46 AM | #82 |
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06-09-2023, 04:37 PM | #83 |
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06-09-2023, 04:37 PM | #84 |
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06-09-2023, 04:39 PM | #85 |
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Obviously I can't handle all of these exotic foreign names they've got me tongue-tied
(this is an example of satire) |
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06-13-2023, 07:49 AM | #86 | |
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I just realized this is what Billy sings in Yeah: Everyone is not in Zwan Everyone's the same |
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06-13-2023, 08:17 AM | #87 | |
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07-19-2023, 10:58 PM | #88 |
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Did anyone catch the part where he outs Billy as a peeping tom?
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07-19-2023, 11:01 PM | #89 | |
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Unfortunately, MSTOS was probably the first major indicator of Billy starting to truly lose the plot. And it's been mostly all downhill since.... |
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07-20-2023, 03:25 AM | #90 |
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Nah, MSOTS is actually good. And better than Machina.
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