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Old 06-12-2012, 03:02 PM   #1
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Bill can't fight the downward trajectory, even if more people enjoyed OCEANIA over Zeitgeist... the record industry just ain't what it used to be.

Unlike other bands that keep on keepin on because they actually just love making music.... ol' Bill is more than likely going to take it to heart and raise a fuss about unappreciative fans, etc etc.

It seems to me he is at a point where he's gotta either accept his position in the world to enjoy moving forward... or quit.

Then again, he's become a master of misdirecting the cause of his downward trajectory on everything but the actual reality of what's going on with his music and the state of the industry.

The more I think about it the more it occurs to me he'll probably continue to delude himself as being some kind of brave struggler against the forces of evil keeping him down and will come up with more astonishing misdirections for his failures.

 
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Old 06-12-2012, 03:04 PM   #2
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Old 06-12-2012, 03:16 PM   #3
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Oceania isn't a failure. Even if it sells well, it has already showed people that Corgan still has the music chops left. People will now have more hope that he may slowly get it back together.

If Oceania was released instead of Zeitgeist, this would be totally different.

 
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Old 06-12-2012, 03:21 PM   #4
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The more I think about it the more it occurs to me he'll probably continue to delude himself as being some kind of brave struggler against the forces of evil keeping him down and will come up with more astonishing misdirections for his failures.
According to Sigmund Freud, projection is a psychological defense mechanism whereby one "projects" one's own undesirable thoughts, motivations, desires, and feelings onto someone else.

'Emotions or excitations which the ego tries to ward off are "split out" and then felt as being outside the ego...perceived in another person'.[4] It is a common process.[5] The related defense of 'projective identification differs from projection in that the impulse projected onto an external object does not appear as something alien and distant from the ego because the connection of the self with that projected impulse continues'.[6]
In one example of the process, a person might have thoughts of infidelity with respect to a spouse or other partner. Instead of dealing with these undesirable thoughts consciously, the subject unconsciously projects these feelings onto the other person, and begins to think that the other has thoughts of infidelity and that the other may be having an affair. In this way, the subject may obtain 'acquittal by his conscience - if he projects his own impulses to faithlessness on to the partner to whom he owes faith'.[7] In this sense, projection is related to denial, arguably the only more primitive defense mechanism than projection, which, like all defense mechanisms, provides a function whereby a person can protect the conscious mind from a feeling that is otherwise repulsive.
Projection can also be established as a means of obtaining or justifying certain actions that would normally be found atrocious or heinous. This often means projecting false accusations, information, etc., onto an individual for the sole purpose of maintaining a self-created illusion. One of the many problems with the process whereby 'something dangerous that is felt inside can be moved outside - a process of "projection"' - is that as a result 'the projector may become somewhat depleted and rendered limp in character, as he loses part of his personality'.[8]
Compartmentalization, splitting, and projection are ways that the ego continues to pretend that it is completely in control at all times, when in reality human experience is one of shifting instinctual reactivity and emotional motivation in which the "I" is not always complicit. Further, while engaged in projection, individuals can be unable to access truthful memories, intentions, and experiences, even about their own nature, as is common in deep trauma.[9]
[edit]Historical uses

Peter Gay describes projection as "the operation of expelling feelings or wishes the individual finds wholly unacceptable—too shameful, too obscene, too dangerous—by attributing them to another."[10]
The philosopher Ludwig Feuerbach based his theory of religion in large part upon the idea of projection, i.e., the idea that an anthropomorphic deity is the outward projection of man's anxieties and desires.[11]
. The "Shadow"—a term used in Jungian psychology to describe a variety of psychological projection—refers to the projected material.[12] Jungians consider that 'Political agitation in all countries is full of such projections, just as much as the backyard gossip of little groups and individuals'.[13] Marie-Louise Von Franz extended the view of projection to cover phenomena in Patterns of Creativity Mirrored in Creation Myths: "... wherever known reality stops, where we touch the unknown, there we project an archetypal image".[14]
Psychological projection is one of the medical explanations of bewitchment that attempts to diagnose the behavior of the afflicted children at Salem in 1692. The historian John Demos asserts that the symptoms of bewitchment experienced by the afflicted girls in Salem during the witchcraft crisis were because the girls were undergoing psychological projection.[15] Demos argues the girls had convulsive fits caused by repressed aggression and were able to project this aggression without blame because of the speculation of witchcraft and bewitchment.
[edit]Counter-projection

When addressing psychological trauma, the defense mechanism is sometimes counter-projection, including an obsession to continue and remain in a recurring trauma-causing situation and the compulsive obsession with the perceived perpetrator of the trauma or its projection.
Jung writes that "All projections provoke counter-projection when the object is unconscious of the quality projected upon it by the subject."[16]
[edit]Psychopathology

In psychopathology, projection is an especially commonly used defense mechanism in people with certain personality disorders: 'Patients with paranoid personalities, for example, use projection as a primary defense because it allows them to disavow unpleasant feelings and attribute them to others'.[17]
According to Kernberg, all 'the primitive defenses, such as splitting, [projection] and projective identification, are commonly connected with primitively organized personalities, such as ':[18]
Borderline personality disorder
Narcissistic personality disorder
Antisocial personality disorder
Psychopathy
[edit]Projective techniques

Drawing on the theory that 'the individual "projects" something of himself or herself into everything he or she does, in line with Gordon Allport's concept of expressive behaviour',[19] projective techniques have been devised to aid personality assessment. 'The two best-known projective techniques are the Rorschach ink-blots and the Thematic Apperception Test (TAT)'.[20]
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Old 06-12-2012, 03:21 PM   #5
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Oceania isn't a failure. Even if it sells well, it has already showed people that Corgan still has the music chops left. People will now have more hope that he may slowly get it back together.

If Oceania was released instead of Zeitgeist, this would be totally different.

 
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Old 06-12-2012, 03:33 PM   #6
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He's not going to stop making music.

 
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Old 06-12-2012, 03:36 PM   #7
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why are record sales so important to space girl

 
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Old 06-12-2012, 03:38 PM   #8
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Exactly. Who cares about sales? I'd rather integrity.

 
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Old 06-12-2012, 03:39 PM   #9
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the answer is wrestling

 
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Old 06-12-2012, 03:42 PM   #10
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Yeah seriously SG1979 We all think billy is an ass too, but all these threads fixated on his financial failure... it's almost like you're bitter at him for some reason (though who knows what exactly that might be)

 
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Old 06-12-2012, 03:45 PM   #11
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it's never to late to get "Fruit(y)" back together

 
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Old 06-12-2012, 03:51 PM   #12
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why are record sales so important to space girl
because she's in a band that plays TWO SHOWS THIS WEEK

 
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Old 06-12-2012, 03:56 PM   #13
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HOLY SHIT

BLOWIN UP YO

 
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Old 06-12-2012, 03:57 PM   #14
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Fruit or Fruity was the band that Marilyn Manson and Billy said they had started in 1998

 
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Old 06-12-2012, 03:58 PM   #15
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I WANT TO SEE THIS HAPPEN

 
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Old 06-12-2012, 04:22 PM   #17
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Billy broke spacegirls heart. Every one of her "I hate billy" threads reads like a plea for help.

ReprisE to thread! person in need of therapy!

 
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Old 06-12-2012, 04:45 PM   #19
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Space Girl. Counting down the days until her and BC can make a suicide pact.

 
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Old 06-12-2012, 04:46 PM   #20
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did someone mention the wrestling reality show. the only new music we may get is a remixed version of Bullet, you know, to PUMP the crowd UP

 
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Old 06-12-2012, 04:47 PM   #21
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crestfallen.com

 
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Old 06-12-2012, 04:48 PM   #22
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billy has two passions in life. making music and wrestling. he will not give up either one. he might even create a form of musical wrestling.

 
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Old 06-12-2012, 04:59 PM   #23
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Old 06-12-2012, 05:16 PM   #24
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was there more to that or are we supposed to guess

 
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Old 06-12-2012, 05:49 PM   #25
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Billy broke spacegirls heart. Every one of her "I hate billy" threads reads like a plea for help.

ReprisE to thread! person in need of therapy!
...nah

 
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Old 06-12-2012, 05:52 PM   #26
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lol Peter Gay

 
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Old 06-12-2012, 05:58 PM   #27
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should have spelled it Krogan

 
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Old 06-12-2012, 06:34 PM   #28
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Do you like the new album? Doesnt do it for me.

 
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Old 06-12-2012, 06:35 PM   #29
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billy has two passions in life. making music and wrestling. he will not give up either one. he might even create a form of musical wrestling.
As long as he keeps his musical wanking to himself...

 
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Old 06-13-2012, 03:27 AM   #30
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Space Girl. Counting down the days until her and BC can make a suicide pact.
Nah she's going to take Iha down on some Dimebag Darrel type shit. Jump onstage at an APC concert screaming "you broke up the pumpkins!" and shoot him in the face.

 
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