OMG...the Billy article in RS. - Page 2

samuel redman · 03-03-2010, 07:12 PM

how can people say all those fucking horrible things about Billy on that site, and this site. im about to flipping lose it. just, you're all fucking trash

Rickpat12 · 03-03-2010, 07:13 PM

KB's tweets directed at Courtney Love seem to be proof that we may have another lawsuit on our hands.

Elvis The Fat Years · 03-03-2010, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by RockLobster

why would they talk about jimmy leaving the first time, that's old news.

they wouldn't. shambles has shit for brains.

Caine Walker · 03-03-2010, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Elvis The Fat Years

they wouldn't. shambles has shit for brains.

this is true.

srt4b · 03-03-2010, 07:28 PM

The only thing left to comment is this: The man has serious mental issues and needs some help or some better people around him. I loved the guy and his music in my early 20s so I hope he gets some. The last 10 years have been an utter mess.

june_soma · 03-03-2010, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Corganist

I can't say I'm thrilled he's airing more dirty laundry out.

I am! I love tattle-tale Corgan. Bring on the dirty laundry, underwear with skidmarks and all!

Caine Walker · 03-03-2010, 08:46 PM

vbshlofbvgos · 03-03-2010, 08:50 PM

He's been quiet for too long. He just had to talk shit again.

srt4b · 03-03-2010, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by vbshlofbvgos

He's been quiet for too long. He just had to talk shit again.

it's been what 3 weeks?

Mayfuck · 03-03-2010, 08:55 PM

Can anyone point to anything concrete that suggest mental issues or ''mess'' in the last 5 years? Can't say I like Billy Corgan at all anymore but these replies once again drive me toward sympathy for the man. Many of you don't think your posts out but thats not surprising.

Rider · 03-03-2010, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Mayfuck

Can anyone point to anything concrete that suggest mental issues or ''mess'' in the last 5 years? Can't say I like Billy Corgan at all anymore but these replies once again drive me toward sympathy for the man. Many of you don't think your posts out but thats not surprising.

The fact that he wants to commit suicide every morning.

paranoid · 03-03-2010, 09:06 PM

so billy fires jimmy and jimmy decides to make a two paragraph post citing his own personal reasons for leaving?

i'll read the article first but i've got a fishy feeling corgan is lying.

paranoid · 03-03-2010, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Mayfuck

Can anyone point to anything concrete that suggest mental issues or ''mess'' in the last 5 years? Can't say I like Billy Corgan at all anymore but these replies once again drive me toward sympathy for the man. Many of you don't think your posts out but thats not surprising.

"I could eat breakfast or kill myself this morning." maybe not a concrete sign of a total mental mess, but he is crying out for help as far as i'm concerned. Read a handful of his EFHTT posts and he often speaks of himself as being lonely. I can see why someone may interpret him as being miserable.

Slurpee · 03-03-2010, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Rickpat12

he contemplated suicide again?

Wouldn't you?

daevil1 · 09:41 PM

I bought the magazine and Billy did indeed fire Jimmy in 2009 because he felt that Jimmy's destructive personality was still evident and couldnt reach his creative peak with someone destructive around. Also of note is some new song titles including The Dauphine, Blurricane, Fate the Lonely Actor, and a familar one As Rome Burns!. He has written over 50 songs and claims to have 10-15 super top level ones which he planned to scatter them with all the non super top level ones but has now decided to put them to the front of the line and write more songs. I would suggest reading the whole article as it's really a good read.

One more good info is that he sold the rights to "Today" to Visa to buy his own studio and allow him to be free and release all the music for free as he is doing now.

slunken · 03-03-2010, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by daevil1

super top level ones

paranoid · 03-03-2010, 09:41 PM

could you post a transcript?

and destructive personality still evident? I really, really find that hard to believe.. but if Billy says it, it must be the truth!

daevil1 · 03-03-2010, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by paranoid

could you post a transcript?

and destructive personality still evident? I really, really find that hard to believe.. but if Billy says it, it must be the truth!

The article is literally 4 full pages long so it would be too much to post a transcript.

srt4b · 03-03-2010, 09:44 PM

I just pucke it up. I'll scan it in a few if no one else has.

srt4b · 10:50 PM

The more I read, the more I want to puke.

I am at the part where he is crying for hours after some dude touched him.

You Said · 03-03-2010, 09:49 PM

Jimmy you go to rehab! James get the fuck out of here!

Catherine Wheel · 03-03-2010, 09:54 PM

The Smashing Pumpkins are the biggest train wreck of a band ever.

Pop Tart · 03-03-2010, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by paranoid

....i've got a fishy feeling corgan is lying.

I'm at the point where I think he'll do or say anything to get publicity. I know that's a horrible thing to say, but it feels true. The Jessica Simpson thing seemed like a publicity stunt, but she got all the attention, so now he's got to blather for his fifteen minutes in the spotlight.

Seriously, he'd be much better off if he bought a rocking chair and a porch, and sat around and reminisced. It'd be a lot easier on all of us. He wouldn't be making such a dick of himself, and we'd feel less pissed off that a former hero - and someone who was worth looking up to - is now nothing but a fucking toss pot.

paranoid · 03-03-2010, 10:13 PM

also, was he suggestion jimmy was still using drugs during the machina era? it seems like the total opposite of what has been believed over the past 10 years.

in his 2005 confessions, he pretty much spoke positively about chamberlin, even when speaking about his drug binges during the SD recording era. He panned on james and darcy non stop though.. speaking of how terrible they were as people. But now Jimmy's out of the picture he's speaking ill of his past within the band.. going so far as saying he still had destructive behavior up to last year.. and honestly the evidence seems to prove otherwise. Jimmy seemed to be way, way beyond that point, and had grown into a new person. He spoke a great deal about it in that Chris Issack interview.

i'm going to conclude that BC is full of shit.

Catherine Wheel · 03-03-2010, 10:19 PM

Not only is he full of shit but he seems determined to alienate himself from everyone who was in the original group.

Slurpee · 03-03-2010, 10:26 PM

THE BLURRICANE!!!

Gish08 · 10:35 PM

Billy Corgan is a helpless child with a severe psychological disorder.

Fuck him for firing Chamberlin last year. That's it. I'm done with this motherfucker. At best, I will be cautiously (and VERY cautiously) indifferent about anything he does.

It's a fucking shame; even in 2007 he could do amazing things (Gossamer etc.), but honestly, he completely collapsed last year artistically. He finally burned himself out.

But... really, though? Firing Jimmy Chamberlin? Does he not realize how vital he is to the band for it to carry on under the Smashing Pumpkins name, not only because there were no other original members left, but because he's basically one of the best, if not the best drummers to come from the 90's pool of rock bands? And on top of that, he plays a huge role in making the band what it is unless Billy's playing something extremely mellow and/or bland like all of this recent music he's been shitting onto his shrinking fanbase. Adore was an exception to the rule because it was a skillfully executed departure album with a well-planned live tour. Billy isn't that smart anymore, I'm afraid. For all of the big ideas he has about everything, he's pretty fucking stupid for not being able to realize this.

I really wish he'd just stop making music at this point. I don't think he has anything left to offer that's worth much beyond a "well, it's okay" type of comment.

I tip my hat off to him for doing amazing things for basically 25 years, but everyone burns out, and Billy finally did. He is indeed correct for stating that he deserves credit regardless of what the Pitchforks of the world may say, but lately, Pitchfork and co. may finally have enough justification to run with, up until a year or two ago, what were primarily outlandish claims against a man who was insanely talented.

I have a lot of respect for Jimmy. It takes a lot to just take a deep breath, walk away from the band, and blame it on creative differences rather than lashing out at the man he helped carry to great heights (more than either James or Darcy) for firing him for absolutely no good reason. Remember, Chamberlin said only four months prior to getting axed that SP is something that he would consider to be a life commitment, so I'm sure he was feeling pretty awful when Billy replaced him with a 19 year old who has absolutely no talent whatsoever.

I hope Billy and his poor excuse for a drummer get booed off the stage when he finally figures out when to tour again.

Future Boy · 03-03-2010, 10:30 PM

blurricane is the worst part of this whole thing

Slurpee · 03-03-2010, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Future Boy

blurricane is the worst part of this whole thing

No. The worst part about this whole thing is that I am not really surprised by The Blurricane. Par for the course.

srt4b · 03-03-2010, 10:43 PM

I have it scanned you guys still need?

03-03-2010, 09:33 PM	#45
daevil1 Demi-God Location: NEW JERSEY Posts: 299	I bought the magazine and Billy did indeed fire Jimmy in 2009 because he felt that Jimmy's destructive personality was still evident and couldnt reach his creative peak with someone destructive around. Also of note is some new song titles including The Dauphine, Blurricane, Fate the Lonely Actor, and a familar one As Rome Burns!. He has written over 50 songs and claims to have 10-15 super top level ones which he planned to scatter them with all the non super top level ones but has now decided to put them to the front of the line and write more songs. I would suggest reading the whole article as it's really a good read. One more good info is that he sold the rights to "Today" to Visa to buy his own studio and allow him to be free and release all the music for free as he is doing now. Last edited by daevil1 : 03-03-2010 at 09:41 PM.

03-03-2010, 09:46 PM	#50
srt4b Apocalyptic Poster Posts: 1,098	The more I read, the more I want to puke. I am at the part where he is crying for hours after some dude touched him. Last edited by srt4b : 03-03-2010 at 10:50 PM.

03-03-2010, 10:29 PM	#57
Gish08 Apocalyptic Poster Posts: 2,559	Billy Corgan is a helpless child with a severe psychological disorder. Fuck him for firing Chamberlin last year. That's it. I'm done with this motherfucker. At best, I will be cautiously (and VERY cautiously) indifferent about anything he does. It's a fucking shame; even in 2007 he could do amazing things (Gossamer etc.), but honestly, he completely collapsed last year artistically. He finally burned himself out. But... really, though? Firing Jimmy Chamberlin? Does he not realize how vital he is to the band for it to carry on under the Smashing Pumpkins name, not only because there were no other original members left, but because he's basically one of the best, if not the best drummers to come from the 90's pool of rock bands? And on top of that, he plays a huge role in making the band what it is unless Billy's playing something extremely mellow and/or bland like all of this recent music he's been shitting onto his shrinking fanbase. Adore was an exception to the rule because it was a skillfully executed departure album with a well-planned live tour. Billy isn't that smart anymore, I'm afraid. For all of the big ideas he has about everything, he's pretty fucking stupid for not being able to realize this. I really wish he'd just stop making music at this point. I don't think he has anything left to offer that's worth much beyond a "well, it's okay" type of comment. I tip my hat off to him for doing amazing things for basically 25 years, but everyone burns out, and Billy finally did. He is indeed correct for stating that he deserves credit regardless of what the Pitchforks of the world may say, but lately, Pitchfork and co. may finally have enough justification to run with, up until a year or two ago, what were primarily outlandish claims against a man who was insanely talented. I have a lot of respect for Jimmy. It takes a lot to just take a deep breath, walk away from the band, and blame it on creative differences rather than lashing out at the man he helped carry to great heights (more than either James or Darcy) for firing him for absolutely no good reason. Remember, Chamberlin said only four months prior to getting axed that SP is something that he would consider to be a life commitment, so I'm sure he was feeling pretty awful when Billy replaced him with a 19 year old who has absolutely no talent whatsoever. I hope Billy and his poor excuse for a drummer get booed off the stage when he finally figures out when to tour again. Last edited by Gish08 : 03-03-2010 at 10:35 PM.

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03-03-2010, 07:12 PM	#31
samuel redman Apocalyptic Poster Location: You're 22 why aren't you free?You're 22 why aren't you free? you're mom and daddy's victory Posts: 4,874	how can people say all those fucking horrible things about Billy on that site, and this site. im about to flipping lose it. just, you're all fucking trash

03-03-2010, 07:13 PM	#32
Rickpat12 Apocalyptic Poster Location: GUITAR PICK? Posts: 3,398	KB's tweets directed at Courtney Love seem to be proof that we may have another lawsuit on our hands.

03-03-2010, 07:28 PM	#35
srt4b Apocalyptic Poster Posts: 1,098	The only thing left to comment is this: The man has serious mental issues and needs some help or some better people around him. I loved the guy and his music in my early 20s so I hope he gets some. The last 10 years have been an utter mess.

03-03-2010, 08:46 PM	#37
Caine Walker Braindead Posts: 15,482	ew.

03-03-2010, 08:50 PM	#38
vbshlofbvgos Apocalyptic Poster Posts: 1,613	He's been quiet for too long. He just had to talk shit again.

03-03-2010, 08:55 PM	#40
Mayfuck Banned Location: i'm from japan also hollywood Posts: 57,805	Can anyone point to anything concrete that suggest mental issues or ''mess'' in the last 5 years? Can't say I like Billy Corgan at all anymore but these replies once again drive me toward sympathy for the man. Many of you don't think your posts out but thats not surprising.

03-03-2010, 09:06 PM	#42
paranoid Minion of Satan Location: up a tree Posts: 7,521	so billy fires jimmy and jimmy decides to make a two paragraph post citing his own personal reasons for leaving? i'll read the article first but i've got a fishy feeling corgan is lying.

03-03-2010, 09:41 PM	#47
paranoid Minion of Satan Location: up a tree Posts: 7,521	could you post a transcript? and destructive personality still evident? I really, really find that hard to believe.. but if Billy says it, it must be the truth!

03-03-2010, 09:44 PM	#49
srt4b Apocalyptic Poster Posts: 1,098	I just pucke it up. I'll scan it in a few if no one else has.

03-03-2010, 09:49 PM	#51
You Said Apocalyptic Poster Posts: 1,678	Jimmy you go to rehab! James get the fuck out of here!

03-03-2010, 09:54 PM	#52
Catherine Wheel Banned Location: Washington, D.C. Posts: 6,310	The Smashing Pumpkins are the biggest train wreck of a band ever.

03-03-2010, 10:13 PM	#54
paranoid Minion of Satan Location: up a tree Posts: 7,521	also, was he suggestion jimmy was still using drugs during the machina era? it seems like the total opposite of what has been believed over the past 10 years. in his 2005 confessions, he pretty much spoke positively about chamberlin, even when speaking about his drug binges during the SD recording era. He panned on james and darcy non stop though.. speaking of how terrible they were as people. But now Jimmy's out of the picture he's speaking ill of his past within the band.. going so far as saying he still had destructive behavior up to last year.. and honestly the evidence seems to prove otherwise. Jimmy seemed to be way, way beyond that point, and had grown into a new person. He spoke a great deal about it in that Chris Issack interview. i'm going to conclude that BC is full of shit.

03-03-2010, 10:19 PM	#55
Catherine Wheel Banned Location: Washington, D.C. Posts: 6,310	Not only is he full of shit but he seems determined to alienate himself from everyone who was in the original group.

03-03-2010, 10:26 PM	#56
Slurpee Minion of Satan Location: breakfast Posts: 6,174	THE BLURRICANE!!!

03-03-2010, 10:30 PM	#58
Future Boy The Man of Tomorrow Posts: 26,965	blurricane is the worst part of this whole thing

03-03-2010, 10:43 PM	#60
srt4b Apocalyptic Poster Posts: 1,098	I have it scanned you guys still need?