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![]() No matter how many times you say it, McCain is not a far right neocon.
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![]() But he's sure as hell not a moderate. And he may not be a far-right loon himself, but he's no doubt a total tool that seems to be willing to put his ass on the line for The Party and not actually think for himself.
He's "flip-flopped" on tax cuts, religion, abortion. First against giving tax breaks to the rich because he knew it would hurt the middle class, now he's for it. First called far-right evangelical Christians crazy, now hiring a Jerry Falwell staffer to shape his communications strategy. First took a more moderate stance on abortion, now slowly drifting off further to the right on that issue. First called for the end of negative campaigning, now hiring the man responsible for the most controversial political ad of 2006 that was yanked off the air. Hiring him as his CAMPAIGN MANAGER. His Karl Rove. If Democrats play their cards right, they could paint McCain as the John Kerry of the Republican Party, they really could. Last edited by Effloresce : 12-07-2006 at 10:53 PM. |
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![]() at least he's smarter than bush
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![]() A SMARTER George W. Bush is the last thing the country needs.
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![]() He's further right than Bush.
Edit: This is because Bush is not a) right wing or b) a Republican. |
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![]() Impossible. Effloresce believes Bush is the epitome of right, then you have Nancy Pelosi in the center, and finally Jesus on the left.
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![]() I don't think I've ever called Nancy Pelosi a centrist on here. She's moving ahead with a centrist agenda as best as she can, but she's not one herself. See: Murtha being rejected by the moderate House dems.
McCain on the other hand is a staunch conservative posing as a moderate, but barely acting like one. |
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![]() I'll vote for McCain to work with a Democrat controlled congress.
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![]() I won't.
You really trust this guy, Trotsky. Wow. |
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![]() who cares
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![]() i mean you think having dems in control of the legislative and executive branches is a good idea. it's about as good idea as having the republicans control the legislative and executive branches.
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![]() Yeah so let's give it to the GOP again since they've handled things so well over the past 6 years
![]() Granted if the Democrats keep a majority in the House and Senate, McCain wouldn't be able to grow to be as destructive as Bush was. But he would still make policy decisions. I do not trust him. If a true moderate emerged from the Republican party, I'd take into account the idea of letting there be a moderate President with a Democratic controlled congress. So far I do not see this as a possibility. McCain is a fraud, man. |
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![]() I bet McCain would be a stellar foreign policy president. What do you mean about making policy decisions? I mean is that it? I think that's all he has the authority to do. He can appoint supreme court justices, but he's not going to push a pro lifer though a dem congress.
I like your idea of a true moderate which means a democrat with a red tie. |
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![]() what policy decisions would he make beyond foreign. i mean it's not like he's going to be able to do any lawmaking, since, if you forgot, is the legislative branch's job.
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![]() He'll be terrible for social issues though. I doubt he'll do a damn thing about health care costs.
edit: He can veto. edit 2: also, we don't know what the future holds for the House and Senate. Especially in the House. Their reign could be short-lived if Pelosi pisses too many people off and she can't figure out a way to bring the far-left and moderate Dems together. When there are elections every two years anything is possible, these days especially. |
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![]() Does the president have that power, you know, to start nationalized heath care?
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![]() He can encourage it. Not that he would.
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![]() yeah he can veto, which is my point. there is a system of checks and balances that has to be dealt with when there is a R in control of the exec and a D in control of the congress. i mean, all i'm saying is that there shouldn't be any kind of radical change forced down the throats of the american public because this past election wasn't a mandate, it was a "these guys are pricks and we hate them, but you guys are douchebags so be on your toes" vote. If the Dems start persuing stuff that the american public doesn't like they're sunk.
let homos drive to Arizona to get married. i mean what the fuck does it matter? There will never be an anti-gay marrage amendment to the constitution, so it'll be a state based thing. |
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i don't think america wants nationalized heath care. I'm not a pollster but it never seems to be an issue with anyone other than democratic demogouges. |
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I don't know how gays could get married in Arizona and go back to Utah (if they would really want to) and suddenly not be married. I don't know anything about marriages but I think if they're married in one state, then they can claim the tax deduction on their national tax return, which is what this really about. |
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![]() I liked McCain til he did, well, everything that Effloresce listed. He at least seemed honest.
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![]() Well yeah, I'd agree that Dems need to stop being so aggressive when it comes to things like gay marriage. It's not worth fighting for in this country. Sad but true. And it puts a big target on them. They need to save that energy for stuff like abortion, which is actually worth getting down in the mud and fighting with the other side about.
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![]() i'm still think that strategists generally tailor their campaigns to what the candidate wants and not the other way around
i still see McCain as a Truman type with a sign on his desk "THE BUCK STOPS HERE" but we have to wait until 2008 to see if this is true. I think speculation at this point is just speculation. |
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besides if the Roe v. Wade is overturned, it'll go back to the states to decide so then we just will have pro-choicers bussing pregnant Texas girls to Illinois to get the baby cut out of them. It's not going to be an utter disaster where abortion is illegal throughout the country. |
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![]() It still amuses me to no end about how Democrat people think they're so ahead of the curve when they point out how John McCain can't be trusted and will say or do anything for a vote. Its about time you guys caught up with the rest of the class.
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![]() Who said anyone was ahead of anything?
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![]() Yeah, I can't see how I'm trying to be "ahead of the curve" here. Rather just pointing out various flaws in McCain's "straight talk" bullshit, and questioning his motives.
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