Now that Oceania has been out for ten years…

[TheAlter]

Originally Posted by Rairun

He was generally supportive of gay rights too when he threatened to break a trans woman's legs because he was afraid people would call him gay.

He was an a$$hole for threatening violence, but he had every right to "beg off politely" and to keep his sexual life a private matter.

[MyOneAndOnly]

Originally Posted by Forgotten Child

He said nothing degrading about anyone's gender or sexuality. His brother (Spaceboy) is gay and he openly talks about supporting gay "rights"

You should listen to his conversation with Daniel Johns.

Who is Daniel Johns? https://open.spotify.com/episode/1tR...SJaV7GDWTHJDSw

he's a homophobe/transphobe/misogynist.

having a gay family member doesn't make him unassailable. It makes him a fucking hypocrite.

[Forgotten Child]

Nah

[Rairun]

Originally Posted by TheAlter

He was an a$$hole for threatening violence, but he had every right to "beg off politely" and to keep his sexual life a private matter.

No one is saying any one individual has the right to to sleep with you. If you don't want to, no one is going to make you. No one owes sex to anyone.

But if a cis woman told her friends that some guy didn't sleep with her because, say, she had stretch marks, and he then sought her out to say that if she didn't shut her mouth, he would break both her legs - would you really describe this man as just an "asshole"?

An asshole would talk shit about her. An asshole would double down and say she was ugly. An asshole would, perhaps, not keep her sexual life private. But pulling her aside and threatening to put her in a wheelchair, especially when you consider how many trans people are actually harmed and killed in this exact situation, goes way beyond that. This isn't Billy being an asshole. This is him being a violent, dangerous abuser.

[Rairun]

Originally Posted by MyOneAndOnly

he's a homophobe/transphobe/misogynist.

having a gay family member doesn't make him unassailable. It makes him a fucking hypocrite.

For the record, we are arguing with a dude who thinks Jair Bolsonaro is a bit too left-wing economically, and that Bolsonaro and Lula (moderate centre-left candidate) are two sides of the same coin. I will no longer be responding to him.

[smashingjj]

Leave everything to the market.

[Forgotten Child]

Originally Posted by Rairun

For the record, we are arguing with a dude who thinks Jair Bolsonaro is a bit too left-wing economically, and that Bolsonaro and Lula (radical left, previously convicted on charges of money laundering and corruption candidate) are two sides of the same coin. I will no longer be responding to him.