Why didn't Billy play like this more often?

Gish08 · 01-18-2010, 10:36 PM

I don't get it. That's some serious shredding and technically brilliant. It puts him well ahead of pretty much anyone else from the major 90's rock bands. It makes the Geek USA solo look extremely simple. And, yet, the Geek USA solo live, with rare exception, was always pretty random and nothing like the studio, in fact it was kind of flat. Why did he play like that if he had the skill seen in the video above? It makes no sense.

He did some cool shit with his guitar as the years went on, but not a consistent, all-out shred-fest like that. What gives?

nofix · 01-18-2010, 10:39 PM

he probably didn't want people to see him with his mouth open like that. also, could he even play like that without the aerodynamic mullet?

Shallowed · 01-18-2010, 10:43 PM

It's not alternative, man.

McCollum · 01-18-2010, 10:44 PM

A solo like that makes it look like you practice. the 90s were all about making it look like you don't care, well the stuff that sold really well anyway. remember billy is all about the money. oh and empty promises. hey thats a catchy title. Money and empty promises. Billy should write a song with that being the main theme. should be a cinch since he knows so much about both.

Gish08 · 01-18-2010, 10:44 PM

Pasta of Muppet: So what? He hates "alternative" or "grunge" now, and has joked about it in the past couple years. Go back to metal. Stop this "Widow Wake My Mind" bullshit.

Gish08 · 01-18-2010, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by McCollum

Money and empty promises

22 b-sides, one every month

Rairun · 01-18-2010, 10:50 PM

As much as I hate to defend Bill, he probably didn't play anything like that because it looks good but sounds horrible. That stuff is only cool for 18 year old kids who think, "Wow! Maynard screams for 30 whole seconds in The Grudge!"

Iodine_Red · 01-19-2010, 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Rairun

As much as I hate to defend Bill, he probably didn't play anything like that because it looks good but sounds horrible. That stuff is only cool for 18 year old kids who think, "Wow! Maynard screams for 30 whole seconds in The Grudge!"

The Grudge is fucking bad ass by the way.

hcueva · 01-19-2010, 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Gish08

I don't get it. That's some serious shredding and technically brilliant.

You obviously know nothing about music.

stumpycat · 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Rairun

As much as I hate to defend Bill, he probably didn't play anything like that because it looks good but sounds horrible. That stuff is only cool for 18 year old kids who think, "Wow! Maynard screams for 30 whole seconds in The Grudge!"

This. It's pure wankery. Although in and of itself the playing kicks ass, the main concern became how it's going to fit into the context of an actual song. Billy wanted to do more than the pure testosterone rock sort of thing. A few people, maybe Eddie Van Halen, can make this style of playing sound truly melodic. Also, this sort of playing, to me, is really more about pushing physical motor coordination to its limits than any actual virtuosity. I can sit there and trill like a mofo all up and down the neck--and it sounds kind of cool--but I can't represent that as actually being spectacular (especially if you get the "trick" of how to do it.)

redbreegull · 01-19-2010, 01:33 AM

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Originally Posted by hcueva

You obviously know nothing about music.

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Dogfighter28 · 01-19-2010, 01:37 AM

It sounds like ass

Catherine Wheel · 01-19-2010, 01:52 AM

It's funny because the stuff he did a year or so later with the Marked was completely different. Much more new wave / post-punk influenced.

cardiac · 01-19-2010, 02:57 PM

1:50 onwards

He did display his shredding chops every now and then back in the day. But nothing like the video you posted, thank god.

duovamp · 01-19-2010, 03:00 PM

Man Billy was such a total bad-ass.

redbreegull · 01-19-2010, 03:43 PM

The best guitarists know when not to play. As terrible as the songs have gotten, b0lly is a seriously excellent guitarist.

tweedyburd · 01-19-2010, 03:46 PM

Just a masturbatory exercise, and a tonal crapfest to boot.

duovamp · 01-19-2010, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by redbreegull

The best guitarists know when not to play. As terrible as the songs have gotten, b0lly is a seriously excellent guitarist.

The best drummers know when not to play, the best guitarists know when to play.

redbreegull · 01-19-2010, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by duovamp

The best drummers know when not to play, the best guitarists know when to play.

oh, ok

duovamp · 01-19-2010, 07:02 PM

Believe me, I'm a sound engineer with a big degree in sound engineering, and a minor in whale biology.

slunken · 01-19-2010, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Dogfighter28

It sounds like ass

yea but it looks like he's having fun

exactlythesame · 01-19-2010, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Gish08

I don't get it. That's some serious shredding and technically brilliant. It puts him well ahead of pretty much anyone else from the major 90's rock bands. It makes the Geek USA solo look extremely simple. And, yet, the Geek USA solo live, with rare exception, was always pretty random and nothing like the studio, in fact it was kind of flat. Why did he play like that if he had the skill seen in the video above? It makes no sense.

He did some cool shit with his guitar as the years went on, but not a consistent, all-out shred-fest like that. What gives?

bolded parts are WRONG

slunken · 01-19-2010, 09:10 PM

Except yours though, right?

exactlythesame · 01-19-2010, 09:25 PM

RIGHT

cork_soaker · 01-20-2010, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by cardiac

mmm, this was a nice dose of awesome

Funky_Gibbon · 01-20-2010, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by duovamp

Man Billy was such a total bad-ass.

He'd have had to be to get away with wearing those shirts.

stumpycat · 01-21-2010, 01:40 AM

I love that concert you linked to; the way the sound gets dampened makes the drums sound extra flat and punchy, especially the snare. Also, Billy is sooo fucking stoned. (Not obvious here, but in other videos from the show it sure is!)

Shallowed · 01-21-2010, 02:12 AM

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Originally Posted by cardiac

He did display his shredding chops every now and then back in the day. But nothing like the video you posted, thank god.

I Am One from Vieuphoria is also a pretty good exemplar.

dudehitscar · 01-21-2010, 07:00 AM

well to be honest I think that kind of guitar playing may be well and good for Van Halen but it's doesn't have much soul.

I say the Cherub Rock solo is a million times better than that in most ways.

still that is a neat clip and it's cool to see Corgan play like that.

I couldn't imagine most pumpkins song utilizing that kind of style.

seign · 01-21-2010, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by duovamp

Believe me, I'm a sound engineer with a big degree in sound engineering, and a minor in whale biology.

this is the post i meant to +

01-18-2010, 10:36 PM	#1
Gish08 Apocalyptic Poster Posts: 2,559	Why didn't Billy play like this more often? I don't get it. That's some serious shredding and technically brilliant. It puts him well ahead of pretty much anyone else from the major 90's rock bands. It makes the Geek USA solo look extremely simple. And, yet, the Geek USA solo live, with rare exception, was always pretty random and nothing like the studio, in fact it was kind of flat. Why did he play like that if he had the skill seen in the video above? It makes no sense. He did some cool shit with his guitar as the years went on, but not a consistent, all-out shred-fest like that. What gives?

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01-18-2010, 10:39 PM	#2
nofix Demi-God Posts: 397	he probably didn't want people to see him with his mouth open like that. also, could he even play like that without the aerodynamic mullet?

01-18-2010, 10:43 PM	#3
Shallowed Braindead Posts: 18,608	It's not alternative, man.

01-18-2010, 10:44 PM	#4
McCollum Apocalyptic Poster Location: Lexington, KY Posts: 1,138	A solo like that makes it look like you practice. the 90s were all about making it look like you don't care, well the stuff that sold really well anyway. remember billy is all about the money. oh and empty promises. hey thats a catchy title. Money and empty promises. Billy should write a song with that being the main theme. should be a cinch since he knows so much about both.

01-18-2010, 10:50 PM	#7
Rairun Apocalyptic Poster Posts: 1,131	As much as I hate to defend Bill, he probably didn't play anything like that because it looks good but sounds horrible. That stuff is only cool for 18 year old kids who think, "Wow! Maynard screams for 30 whole seconds in The Grudge!"

01-19-2010, 01:37 AM	#12
Dogfighter28 ILL KILL UR DOG Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 11,480	It sounds like ass

01-19-2010, 01:52 AM	#13
Catherine Wheel Banned Location: Washington, D.C. Posts: 6,310	It's funny because the stuff he did a year or so later with the Marked was completely different. Much more new wave / post-punk influenced.

01-19-2010, 02:57 PM	#14
cardiac Apocalyptic Poster Location: Finland Posts: 1,408	1:50 onwards He did display his shredding chops every now and then back in the day. But nothing like the video you posted, thank god.

01-19-2010, 03:00 PM	#15
duovamp Brazilian Blouselord Location: heavy metal pool party Posts: 35,781	Man Billy was such a total bad-ass.

01-19-2010, 03:43 PM	#16
redbreegull Just Hook it to My Veins! Location: N3t4Euh Haus Posts: 32,752	The best guitarists know when not to play. As terrible as the songs have gotten, b0lly is a seriously excellent guitarist.

01-19-2010, 03:46 PM	#17
tweedyburd Ownz Location: greensboro, nc U.S. Posts: 720	Just a masturbatory exercise, and a tonal crapfest to boot.

01-19-2010, 07:02 PM	#20
duovamp Brazilian Blouselord Location: heavy metal pool party Posts: 35,781	Believe me, I'm a sound engineer with a big degree in sound engineering, and a minor in whale biology.

01-19-2010, 09:10 PM	#23
slunken Virgo Posts: 42,781	Except yours though, right?

01-19-2010, 09:25 PM	#24
exactlythesame Minion of Satan Location: I thought what I'd do is I'd pretend I was one of those deaf-mutes Posts: 7,676	RIGHT

01-21-2010, 01:40 AM	#27
stumpycat Apocalyptic Poster Location: Fort Worth, Texas Posts: 3,088	I love that concert you linked to; the way the sound gets dampened makes the drums sound extra flat and punchy, especially the snare. Also, Billy is sooo fucking stoned. (Not obvious here, but in other videos from the show it sure is!)

01-21-2010, 07:00 AM	#29
dudehitscar Apocalyptic Poster Posts: 2,652	well to be honest I think that kind of guitar playing may be well and good for Van Halen but it's doesn't have much soul. I say the Cherub Rock solo is a million times better than that in most ways. still that is a neat clip and it's cool to see Corgan play like that. I couldn't imagine most pumpkins song utilizing that kind of style.