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Old 03-13-2023, 01:59 PM   #1
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Does anyone have the files for this session?



Want to do some remixing on it but the version on archive.org sounds like ass compared to this.

 
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Old 03-13-2023, 03:18 PM   #2
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Can you rip the audio from YouTube?

 
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Old 03-13-2023, 03:29 PM   #3
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Can you rip the audio from YouTube?
yeah that's possible, but when you upload a song to youtube it goes like this:

- mp3 source, likely ripped from webstream, probably not better than 128 or 192kbps
- this gets put into a video, and when rendering that out the audio gets transcoded again to probably 128 or at best 320, which will still be lower quality than the initial source
- then the video gets uploaded to youtube, and this gets compressed a third time by youtube's video conversion, and caps out at 128kbps

so compressed mp3 source gets compressed again into video which gets compressed again by Youtube

so while i could rip it from youtube, the fact that it exists on youtube means there IS a higher quality version than one i could get by ripping. i want to make it sound really nice but would be fighting an uphill battle if that was how i went about it. if i could get the initial version of this that was circulating then i would have the best chance of making it sound real good.

i see a version of it was uploaded to thepumpkins.net years back. i think that version is probably the one used in these videos.

 
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Old 03-13-2023, 03:35 PM   #4
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Would make a decent Archive release.

 
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Old 03-13-2023, 03:57 PM   #5
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That's really good. Did they do a whole set? Closest they would've come to an MTV unplugged show?

That has SP 1 vibes, esp the bridge.

 
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Old 03-13-2023, 04:00 PM   #6
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shit that sounds so good, what a cool session

i have come to the conclusion that albums are by nature overproduced bullshit, one should judge and listen to a band purely from live performances

 
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Old 03-13-2023, 04:00 PM   #7
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Old 03-13-2023, 04:37 PM   #8
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I’ll have a look on one of my HDD’s when I finish work.

 
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Old 03-13-2023, 06:45 PM   #9
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I’ll have a look on one of my HDD’s when I finish work.
thanks very much for that, i appreciate it.

yeah it was a full session, they did neverlost, thats the way, united states, bleeding the orchid and for god and country acoustic. https://spcodex.wiki/wiki/The_Smashi...07-10_(XM_Live)

it seems to have been recorded on the day zeitgeist released

 
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Old 03-13-2023, 08:37 PM   #10
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I have a version from 2009 that is titled "Conscience Sound Masters" in my archive. It sounds pretty great actually. Its better than the archive.org stuff.

 
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Old 03-13-2023, 08:44 PM   #11
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The Smashing Pumpkins XM Artist Confidential (mastered)
mastered by Conscience Sound Studios

Lineage: FLAC > WAV > Sonic Foundry Track EQ > WAVES LinMB > WAVES X-Crackle > WAVES X-Click > WAVES L3 UltraMaximizer > WAVES PAZ Analyzer > WAV > FLAC, level 5 > Lame3.96 217kbps (vbr)

Tracklist:

1. That's The Way (My Love Is) - 3:50
2. For God And Country - 3:28
3. Neverlost - 4:16
4. Bleeding The Orchid - 3:51
5. United States - 6:53
6. Today - 3:48


Conscience Sound Studios
www.consciencesound.com

 
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Old 03-13-2023, 08:51 PM   #12
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The Smashing Pumpkins XM Artist Confidential (mastered)
mastered by Conscience Sound Studios

Lineage: FLAC > WAV > Sonic Foundry Track EQ > WAVES LinMB > WAVES X-Crackle > WAVES X-Click > WAVES L3 UltraMaximizer > WAVES PAZ Analyzer > WAV > FLAC, level 5 > Lame3.96 217kbps (vbr)

Tracklist:

1. That's The Way (My Love Is) - 3:50
2. For God And Country - 3:28
3. Neverlost - 4:16
4. Bleeding The Orchid - 3:51
5. United States - 6:53
6. Today - 3:48


Conscience Sound Studios
www.consciencesound.com
wow ok that's cool! could you send me this? if anyone does have the original version i would still be on the look out for that but it would be great to check this one out, it may just do the job!

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Old 03-13-2023, 09:56 PM   #13
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Anxious to see what you may come up with.

 
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Old 03-14-2023, 02:30 AM   #14
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Not sure where I got my copy from. https://www.sendspace.com/file/0jkimz

 
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Old 03-14-2023, 05:36 AM   #15
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Not sure where I got my copy from. https://www.sendspace.com/file/0jkimz
ah brilliant, thanks so much! so glad i asked here
ill be working on this over the next while, will compare the versions etc.
i think with these songs, the residency songs and american gothic, a full acoustic album is possible

 
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Old 03-14-2023, 10:02 AM   #16
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I don't really understand what you're doing. How do you "remaster" something that you don't have the masters to?

 
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I don't really understand what you're doing. How do you "remaster" something that you don't have the masters to?
same way you'd remaster something that you do have the unmastered version of. it's not as optimal as working with the unmastered version but you can still make improvements. you can use declipping to fix truncated waveforms, eqs to soften harsher frequencies and bring up those that are lacking, etc.

on top of that, with AI tools you can split a recording into separate stems (bass, drums, vocals, other) and get finer control over the individual layers to adjust levels, rebalance elements or re-EQ just one particular layer etc.

 
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Old 03-14-2023, 11:41 AM   #18
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AI assisted tools are the way of the future. Look at what the Beatles estate are doing with their recent 5.1 stuff. All those songs were baked on 4 tracks (later just 8 for the last records).

 
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Old 03-14-2023, 12:39 PM   #19
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the more shit "they" come out with, the more this era is emphasized as some kind of true epilogue to Smashing Pumpkins

this is great and something i can actually listen to, enjoying without "trying to" enjoy or at least find some kind of musical merit in

that said, a little disappointed they never seemed to do a true "electric" version of FGaC, song was always so so but the rhythm section + those weird little synthlead things kinda made it - and even if they went a different direction with it as a live thing, i feel that one kinda needs more drive to work than the acoustic versions really gave it

 
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Old 03-14-2023, 12:42 PM   #20
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Neverlost on the other hand, works beautifully in this context

 
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Old 03-20-2023, 03:10 AM   #21
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There’s a lot of trash in my car… a random CD-R of this specific show is there too. I wish I was kidding?

 
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