New song “Empires” from Metro show

[jimmy drevpile]

Originally Posted by paranoid

Agree with this. That material in 2008 was making me love the band all over again.. like shit maybe they do have another great album in them.

Secretly been hoping for gossamer and as Rome burns on this new one but oh well.

Same! Also, the way this is shaping up right now. This album, i think, will work for me. Sorry if other people don't think it's that good... But i'm digging them all (to different degrees) so far.
Feel lucky that it's bringing me some of that old joy. Sorry that it isn't hitting the spot for others. But some people like stuff on Oceania and Adore that I don't really like...
I guess I used to begrudge that, so I get what people are feeling to a point.

What i don't understand is the arguments about not hearing what Jimmy and James are bringing to the table here. Sure I can entertain that argument to a degree with CYR, but on this this so far. Nope. Not having that.
This isn't the same argument as saying you don't like the song, or the song is boring or the song is shit.

We have comparators in Adore, Oceania, Teargarden, Monuments - and if you can't hear Jimmy in Atum, I don't think you ever really understood what he was bringing that made his approach so distinctive in the first place - from my perspective, at least. Other drummers, Ram, I would welcome your thoughts. What he's bringing here in these first 4 tracks we have heard, can initially seem different, more restrained, polished and conservative in parts - in comparison to some of his other stuff in SP. But not all of his stuff.

Anyway. Sorry not sorry. x

[Forgotten Child]

It kind sounds like As Rome Burns... Showed down.

[dustrocck]

I can't believe I'm saying this, but Empires might be better on album. Definitely sounded like Billy was struggling, so the vocal melodies might be more noticeable.

[Ram27]

mix wasn't the best either

the live drums might make up for it though. always so dry in studio

[run2pee]

Originally Posted by jimmy drevpile

Same! Also, the way this is shaping up right now. This album, i think, will work for me. Sorry if other people don't think it's that good... But i'm digging them all (to different degrees) so far.
Feel lucky that it's bringing me some of that old joy. Sorry that it isn't hitting the spot for others. But some people like stuff on Oceania and Adore that I don't really like...
I guess I used to begrudge that, so I get what people are feeling to a point.

What i don't understand is the arguments about not hearing what Jimmy and James are bringing to the table here. Sure I can entertain that argument to a degree with CYR, but on this this so far. Nope. Not having that.
This isn't the same argument as saying you don't like the song, or the song is boring or the song is shit.

We have comparators in Adore, Oceania, Teargarden, Monuments - and if you can't hear Jimmy in Atum, I don't think you ever really understood what he was bringing that made his approach so distinctive in the first place - from my perspective, at least. Other drummers, Ram, I would welcome your thoughts. What he's bringing here in these first 4 tracks we have heard, can initially seem different, more restrained, polished and conservative in parts - in comparison to some of his other stuff in SP. But not all of his stuff.

Anyway. Sorry not sorry. x

Bless your heart

You are too true/pure for this sewer of a board. Enjoy away!

[phang]

Again, I don't hate it, but it's just so uninspired. It'll be butchered in the studio too, another Seek/Marchin'/Solara churned out rock riff that would've been a cool 8 second snippet on Pastichio Medley.

It's passable yes, but so are kidney stones.

[TheAlter]

Originally Posted by jimmy drevpile

We have comparators in Adore, Oceania, Teargarden, Monuments - and if you can't hear Jimmy in Atum, I don't think you ever really understood what he was bringing that made his approach so distinctive in the first place - from my perspective, at least.

Anyway. Sorry not sorry. x

I don’t get what you mean

Jimmy didn’t play on any of those records and James apparently recorded something on Adore, that’s it.

But this is exactly the point, they’re back but WPC has decided Logic is the way cool (read young) people make music these days. And therefore they’ve turned into NIN live band members.

[houseofglass11]

Are we acting like Jimmy’s drums weren’t buried as hell and didn’t also sound like shit production-wise on MCIS? For having one of the best drummers ever in the band, SP has always had some of the worst drum production of any of the 90’s bands hands down.

[ourruseoffools]

Originally Posted by houseofglass11

Are we acting like Jimmy’s drums weren’t buried as hell and didn’t also sound like shit production-wise on MCIS?

they weren't buried, drums dont need to be massively fucking loud especially for their style... the drums on mellon collie allow for the songwriting to be the main focus with the rhythm moving very sexy underneath

i fucking love how the drums sound on mellon collie, sorry haters

[ourruseoffools]

the drums on the new album sound like garageband midi presets

[houseofglass11]

Originally Posted by ourruseoffools

they weren't buried, drums dont need to be massively fucking loud especially for their style... the drums on mellon collie allow for the songwriting to be the main focus with the rhythm moving very sexy underneath

i fucking love how the drums sound on mellon collie, sorry haters

I love MCIS, but sonically Flood’s production is very lo-fi compared to Butch. It’s very vibey. But I still don’t think Flood really knows how to record heavy bands very well. The songs are so strong there that it doesn’t matter. But Jimmy’s drums sound very tiny throughout most of the album.

[Raskolnikov]

Originally Posted by Ram27

this is james' first show at metro since 2000 right

With SP, yeah - they have made a weirdly few number of appearances there between 2000 and 2022 - I think just one? Two?

Did James ever play there solo with his band for his last solo one?

[ilikeplanets]

This is decent, but there's something wrong with the drumming

[ilikeplanets]

Originally Posted by houseofglass11

Sounds like the same quasi-metal riff he’s been trying to do since Oach and MTaE. It’s Wyttch again. Sounds like a cliche Muse riff.

Hard agree, this is my first impression, too. Sounds like the same guitar sound on Quasar. I guess people think Oceania is classic Pumpkins now.

[ilikeplanets]

In a way it has become classic Pumpkins

[MyKeyZ]

Originally Posted by ourruseoffools

they weren't buried, drums dont need to be massively fucking loud especially for their style... the drums on mellon collie allow for the songwriting to be the main focus with the rhythm moving very sexy underneath

i fucking love how the drums sound on mellon collie, sorry haters

[Ram27]

this MCIS discourse made me realize: i don't care anymore

the albums can sounds like whatever - what i truly end up listening to is live boots - SP shines live.

[Forgotten Child]

A better version, from last night

[lionheart0]

Ok this sounds much better than the first post. Jimmy’s drums especially sound better.

[ilikeplanets]

I hear a little Silverfuck in those drums now

[ourruseoffools]

Originally Posted by Forgotten Child

A better version, from last night

samhain samhain

[paranoid]

Originally Posted by ourruseoffools

samhain samhain

shut the fuck up.

[Big Truck05]

Originally Posted by Forgotten Child

A better version, from last night

Shit! That was rad.

[Green Eyes]

Corgan doesn’t really believe in choruses any more, does he?

[Big Truck05]

Originally Posted by Green Eyes

Corgan doesn’t really believe in choruses any more, does he?

Do you?

[Green Eyes]

Originally Posted by Big Truck05

Do you?

I’d like to think I do, yes.

[Ram27]

Originally Posted by Forgotten Child

A better version, from last night

GODDAMN that ending! EMPIRES COME AND MEET YOUR NEW GODS

and iha playing that 80s metal lead over around 2:30. holy shit

[Forgotten Child]

I think that's why it reminds me of As Rome Burns. It's called Empires, and ARB lyrics are "We are the new Gods / Same as the old Gods".

[Ram27]

it's also the closest he's gotten to aping the vibe of the Cherub Rock riff [tone: good]

[inkless]

i like the jeff guitar part at 2.20

but i wouldnt the solo at the end on the record