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Old 09-20-2022, 09:25 PM   #1
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Default New song “Empires” from Metro show


 
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Old 09-20-2022, 09:58 PM   #2
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This actually kind of sounds like the Smashing Pumpkins, which is crazy to say given the stuff he's been putting out for the last two decades.

 
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Old 09-20-2022, 10:00 PM   #3
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this is james' first show at metro since 2000 right

 
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Old 09-22-2022, 03:18 AM   #4
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this is james' first show at metro since 2000 right
With SP, yeah - they have made a weirdly few number of appearances there between 2000 and 2022 - I think just one? Two?

Did James ever play there solo with his band for his last solo one?

 
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Old 09-20-2022, 10:00 PM   #5
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I'm sure it will be ruined in the studio with crappy production and his vocals cranked to 11

 
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Old 09-20-2022, 10:04 PM   #6
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Sounds like the same quasi-metal riff he’s been trying to do since Oach and MTaE. It’s Wyttch again. Sounds like a cliche Muse riff.

 
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Old 09-20-2022, 10:28 PM   #7
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Sounds like the same quasi-metal riff he’s been trying to do since Oach and MTaE. It’s Wyttch again. Sounds like a cliche Muse riff.
he realized most Pumpkins fans will buy anything.. just put any cliche riff and random lyrics and call it Smashing Pumpkins

 
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Old 09-21-2022, 05:47 AM   #8
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Sounds like the same quasi-metal riff he’s been trying to do since Oach and MTaE. It’s Wyttch again. Sounds like a cliche Muse riff.
Yeah he cited Judas Priest, Black Sabbath and German "metal titans" Accept as inspirations for the fucking guitars on the album.

Those who claim this stuff sounds like OG SP are insane.

 
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Old 09-22-2022, 09:04 AM   #9
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Sounds like the same quasi-metal riff he’s been trying to do since Oach and MTaE. It’s Wyttch again. Sounds like a cliche Muse riff.
Hard agree, this is my first impression, too. Sounds like the same guitar sound on Quasar. I guess people think Oceania is classic Pumpkins now.

 
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Old 09-20-2022, 10:13 PM   #10
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what in the world is Oach and MTaE?

 
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Old 09-20-2022, 10:14 PM   #11
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oranges and cheese and my tonsils are everywhere

 
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Old 09-20-2022, 10:34 PM   #12
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Yep. Any remotely heavy riff and people are like “OMGGGG MY NAME
IS RAM. JC JIZZ UNHHHHH”

 
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Old 09-20-2022, 10:36 PM   #13
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It doesn't hold up to SP1 or anything but it's definitely better than the dreck we've been getting. He shouldn't repeat the word Empires so much though.

 
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Old 09-20-2022, 10:38 PM   #14
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It just seems like a lesser As Rome Burns or something. That kind of vaguely faux-metal riffage that he can just pump out all day long but that is kind meaningless and boring.

 
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Old 09-20-2022, 10:40 PM   #15
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Maybe it's just cause I'm just so used to him releasing elevator music.

 
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Old 09-20-2022, 10:50 PM   #16
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The studio version just leaked

https://youtu.be/S0POFnH096U

 
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Old 09-21-2022, 12:10 AM   #17
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Billy obviously as angry as I am about MLB umpires

 
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Old 09-21-2022, 12:22 AM   #18
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House of glass shut the fuck up.

 
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Old 09-21-2022, 12:22 AM   #19
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who the fuck is singing those backing vocals? doesnt sound like katie but who else

 
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Old 09-21-2022, 05:33 AM   #20
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Old Pumpkins… the Beguiled riff and spacey chorus would have been organically woven into a track like Empire so there was progression and variety.

Empire will sound like Wytch on record cos it’s Bill.

 
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Old 09-21-2022, 05:40 AM   #21
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What a crock of shit.

 
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Old 09-21-2022, 05:41 AM   #22
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I like it
(Insert I like turtles video)

 
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Old 09-21-2022, 05:55 AM   #23
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Meh, riff was OK as a jam but not sure it's strong enough to carry a full song

 
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Old 09-21-2022, 06:03 AM   #24
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Pumpkins never stand still, Billy’s always trying new things, the haters just don’t like it cos they change their sound.

= Pumpkins pumping out the least imaginative generic numetal rock riff for the hundredth time, with horribly produced drums, vox, synths twenty years straight.

Disclaimer: I’ll still listen to ATUM and in a year I’ll probably tell you it’s their best post-Machina album. Corgan has me by the balls. I hate myself.

 
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Old 09-21-2022, 06:04 AM   #25
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Sadly the heavier songs on atum will sound like beguiled, solara or seek....metal shit with dry guitars...i promised u guys...33 shitty trax..maybe 1 or 3 that are listenable...what a scheissdreck

 
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Old 09-21-2022, 06:05 AM   #26
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Marchin on or salara had at least a melody and a chorus....

 
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Old 09-21-2022, 09:23 AM   #27
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Marchin on or salara had at least a melody and a chorus....
It's basically Marchin' on with a melody and chorus.. so not too bad.. it sounds like something that could have been on Pistachio Medley but not something that would have been good enough to make MCIS, etc.

 
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Old 09-21-2022, 07:04 AM   #28
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Good song

 
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Old 09-21-2022, 01:54 PM   #29
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The difference between this song and the other recent "heavy" songs I've heard is that this one seems more influenced by alt metal/doom metal/tiny bit of Metallica-like thrash, instead of sounding more like hard rock/glam metal.

It's not an amazing track, but being more in line with the traditional Pumpkins brand of being dark, moody, and heavy already makes it better by miles than "Solara" or "Beguiled." This is, like, that 2007-2008-era after Zeitgeist where the music wasn't as good as SP1, but still listenable and it seemed like they were on track toward getting good again if they just kept on their trajectory. You know, "Gossamer," "As Rome Burns," "Superchrist," even "G.L.O.W." all not really quite scratching the itch, but sounding pretty all right.

And then Teargarden happened and all hope was lost and the band has never righted course since.

 
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The difference between this song and the other recent "heavy" songs I've heard is that this one seems more influenced by alt metal/doom metal/tiny bit of Metallica-like thrash, instead of sounding more like hard rock/glam metal.

It's not an amazing track, but being more in line with the traditional Pumpkins brand of being dark, moody, and heavy already makes it better by miles than "Solara" or "Beguiled." This is, like, that 2007-2008-era after Zeitgeist where the music wasn't as good as SP1, but still listenable and it seemed like they were on track toward getting good again if they just kept on their trajectory. You know, "Gossamer," "As Rome Burns," "Superchrist," even "G.L.O.W." all not really quite scratching the itch, but sounding pretty all right.

And then Teargarden happened and all hope was lost and the band has never righted course since.
Agree with this. That material in 2008 was making me love the band all over again.. like shit maybe they do have another great album in them.

Secretly been hoping for gossamer and as Rome burns on this new one but oh well.

 
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