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Old 06-18-2007, 03:17 PM   #1
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Question "tarantula sucks."

so, what would've been better?

 
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Old 06-18-2007, 03:20 PM   #2
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It's the same 8 or 9 people saying it sucks over and over again. Most people here do not think it sucks...I believe there was a poll on this.

 
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Old 06-18-2007, 03:22 PM   #3
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haha i immediately thought that was a new James quote.

 
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Old 06-18-2007, 03:28 PM   #4
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Old 06-18-2007, 03:45 PM   #5
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It's the same 8 or 9 people saying it sucks over and over again. Most people here do not think it sucks...I believe there was a poll on this.
oh. well. meh.






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Old 06-18-2007, 04:07 PM   #6
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I wonder if actual tarantulas suck.

 
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Old 06-18-2007, 04:10 PM   #7
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so, what would've been better?
here is no why

 
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Old 06-18-2007, 04:15 PM   #8
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I wonder if actual tarantulas suck.
Yes I have one strapped to my dick right now.

 
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Old 06-18-2007, 04:17 PM   #9
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here is no why
i hate you.

 
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Old 06-18-2007, 04:34 PM   #10
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Yes I have one strapped to my dick right now.

Ouch. Does it hurt?

 
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Old 06-18-2007, 04:48 PM   #11
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so, what would've been better?
something that doesn't suck?

 
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Old 06-18-2007, 04:50 PM   #12
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Luke de Spa means a more fan-friendly song that would do worse on the charts.

 
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Old 06-18-2007, 04:53 PM   #13
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I wonder if actual tarantulas suck.

i heard that if you drop a tarantula from a high distance it shatters when it hits the ground because of its body structure. someone find out if this is true. if its true, then obviously tarantulas are awesome.

 
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Old 06-18-2007, 04:55 PM   #14
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Luke de Spa means a more fan-friendly song that would do worse on the charts.
no, i mean a better song

this song would be no less "chart friendly" with a more coherent structure and non-retarded lyrics

 
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Old 06-18-2007, 05:02 PM   #15
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no, i mean a better song

this song would be no less "chart friendly" with a more coherent structure and non-retarded lyrics
I really don't get the "incoherent structure" criticism. Yeah, it's a little all over the place, but it flows reasonably well and it's very easy to follow. Are you saying that its structure is tasteless or do you really think it's incoherent? Because as far as weird song structures go, this is nothing. It's not verse-chorus-verse, but it sure isn't strange enough to warrant being called "incoherent", whether you like it or not.

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Old 06-18-2007, 05:14 PM   #16
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i heard that if you drop a tarantula from a high distance it shatters when it hits the ground because of its body structure. someone find out if this is true. if its true, then obviously tarantulas are awesome.
Wow, if that's true, they should do that at the beginning of the video. It'd be fucking awesome.

 
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Old 06-18-2007, 05:22 PM   #17
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I really don't get the "incoherent structure" criticism. Yeah, it's a little all over the place, but it flows reasonably well and it's very easy to follow. Are you saying that its structure is tasteless or do you really think it's incoherent? Because as far as weird song structures go, this is nothing. It's not verse-chorus-verse, but it sure isn't strange enough to warrant being called "incoherent", whether you like it or not.
well i disagree, i don't think the song flows well at all...if you listen to anything bill/jim so far, it all just flows and rises and drops very smoothly, every progression just goes perfectly. i daresay tarantula is the first sp song ever where this isn't the case, it feels like a patchwork quilt or something, riffs all over the place, odd little fills and things everywhere. i'd say its tasteless in its unnecessary noodling and incoherent structurally purely because an sp structure has never been awkward before.

 
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Old 06-18-2007, 05:39 PM   #18
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tarantula kicks the shit out of the everlasting gaze which technically is there last rocking studio track ( i don't count machina 2 because it sounds like shit)

 
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Old 06-18-2007, 05:40 PM   #19
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Most rocking SP song since MCIS. Blew my head off last night at the Chicago listening party. LOL at it sucking. Please give me your extra Fillmore tix, thanks.

 
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Old 06-18-2007, 05:46 PM   #20
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well i disagree, i don't think the song flows well at all...if you listen to anything bill/jim so far, it all just flows and rises and drops very smoothly, every progression just goes perfectly. i daresay tarantula is the first sp song ever where this isn't the case, it feels like a patchwork quilt or something, riffs all over the place, odd little fills and things everywhere. i'd say its tasteless in its unnecessary noodling and incoherent structurally purely because an sp structure has never been awkward before.
It's funny how differently we feel about the song, because I really think that the mishmash-quality of the song is the only thing it has going for it.

I mean, it's lyrically vacant. It doesn't really have a memorable or signature guitar riff. It doesn't have much of a vocal hook. Yet I still quite like it, mainly because it's a little schizophrenic and frantic, yet keeps a certain flow, imo.

I guess i'd compare it to something like Siva. Now Siva is of course a much much better song. But it's also quite unnecessarily noodly and it also jumps from one idea to another to another. It pulls all this off much better, but despite that I feel the fact that we've all heard that song a million times helps, too.

If Tarantula had been more straight-forward and "coherent" it would lose the only character it has. It's not an AMAZING song, but it's a fun, odd little ditty. And it serves its purpose.

 
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Old 06-18-2007, 05:57 PM   #21
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Some strange descriptions on this thread. Tarantula is not by any means a "ditty", ha. Ditties do not crush you into dust (i.e. Jimmy's drumming the the wailingly beautiful guitar solo).

Also the structure was awesome. I LOVE how it quiets down and then comes back unrelenting.

 
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Old 06-18-2007, 06:03 PM   #22
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I was using the term "ditty" very loosely. Not really meant to be taken literally.

That aside...despite liking the song, nothing has yet been crushed into dust over here. I don't know, I guess i'm just more immune to being crushed into dust than most other people are. Maybe it's my diet or something.

 
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Old 06-18-2007, 06:04 PM   #23
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i love the textures on that song

 
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Old 06-18-2007, 06:05 PM   #24
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I really don't get the "incoherent structure" criticism. Yeah, it's a little all over the place, but it flows reasonably well and it's very easy to follow. Are you saying that its structure is tasteless or do you really think it's incoherent? Because as far as weird song structures go, this is nothing. It's not verse-chorus-verse, but it sure isn't strange enough to warrant being called "incoherent", whether you like it or not.
the problem isn't that it's too weird or i don't understand it, it's that it doesn't flow well. after that first chorus, the sections are too brief or just sound cobbled together (especially those ascending parts, e.g. the "don't break the yolk" bit). i mean what's the point in having a quiet interlude if it's so damn short it can't really establish itself as a contrast to the loud stuff that bookends it? it's like everything about the song is over before it's begun, and to me that screams "poor structure"

 
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Old 06-18-2007, 06:11 PM   #25
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Some strange descriptions on this thread. Tarantula is not by any means a "ditty", ha. Ditties do not crush you into dust (i.e. Jimmy's drumming the the wailingly beautiful guitar solo).

Also the structure was awesome. I LOVE how it quiets down and then comes back unrelenting.
If i remember correctly didnt u say that u havent heard any of the new songs (except for once at the listening party) I think everyone was blown out of the water at first, but then u kinda realize it doesnt go anywhere. even the quiet part was half-assed make this song sound dynamic-like

 
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Old 06-18-2007, 06:19 PM   #26
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the problem isn't that it's too weird or i don't understand it, it's that it doesn't flow well. after that first chorus, the sections are too brief or just sound cobbled together (especially those ascending parts, e.g. the "don't break the yolk" bit). i mean what's the point in having a quiet interlude if it's so damn short it can't really establish itself as a contrast to the loud stuff that bookends it? it's like everything about the song is over before it's begun, and to me that screams "poor structure"
Well first off I take the quiet part at the end as a tease. It's obviously the most classic-SP-sounding part of the song, so it just seems like a little nod and wink to the past. The fact that it's really brief and last-minute is appropriate, I think.

This song was intended to be a comeback single. I have no doubt in my mind that this is what BC had in mind when he wrote it. Maybe he jammed a few too many ideas in there just for the sake of reminding people that "hey the Pumpkins were cool and dynamic, remember?!" But like I said before, it gives the song some much-needed character.

I'd hate to hear a more straight-forward version of the song. Just imagine taking the verse and the chorus and just repeating those a couple times and sticking one of the bridges in there somewhere. Whatever you think of the song, that would be FAR worse.

 
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Old 06-18-2007, 06:39 PM   #27
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Tarantula sucks because of its terrible chorus melody, incredibly irritating backup vocals and masturbatory guitar solos that seem to go nowhere instead of enhancing the song like previous SP solos (e.g. Soma, Geek USA). I like the rest of the new material though.

 
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Old 06-18-2007, 06:45 PM   #28
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Well first off I take the quiet part at the end as a tease. It's obviously the most classic-SP-sounding part of the song, so it just seems like a little nod and wink to the past. The fact that it's really brief and last-minute is appropriate, I think.

This song was intended to be a comeback single. I have no doubt in my mind that this is what BC had in mind when he wrote it. Maybe he jammed a few too many ideas in there just for the sake of reminding people that "hey the Pumpkins were cool and dynamic, remember?!" But like I said before, it gives the song some much-needed character.
bait-and-switch stuff in songs is fine, but only if it enhances the song. i don't think it does in this case — it just sounds spastic. you can call that "character" if you like, but don't expect me to. let's just agree to disagree, shall we?

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I'd hate to hear a more straight-forward version of the song. Just imagine taking the verse and the chorus and just repeating those a couple times and sticking one of the bridges in there somewhere. Whatever you think of the song, that would be FAR worse.
that's neither here no there, really. there are other ways to change the structure. but whatever you do you still have a bleh zwan chorus...

 
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let's just agree to disagree, shall we?
Sure.

 
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