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Old 08-24-2012, 08:30 AM   #121
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I tried and failed, he doesnt get this part

edit: hes convinced the dem party will always be against it
this has nothing to do with whether a liberal supreme court would overturn it

holy fucking shit you two can be dense

 
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Old 08-24-2012, 08:31 AM   #122
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You are communicating, by your vote for Obama, that you are perfectly okay with everything he's done -.
lol no

edit: and that mindset is exactly what's wrong with how you operate.

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Old 08-24-2012, 10:01 AM   #123
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EVERYTHING. HE. HAS. DONE. EVER.

So basically you can only vote for Jesus?

 
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Old 08-24-2012, 10:16 AM   #124
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lol no

edit: and that mindset is exactly what's wrong with how you operate.
Functionally, yes. Of course no one agrees with everything Obama has done, but FPP makes you spend all your money in one place. It's not my "mindset" - it's a fact of the voting system. This video, which features jungle animals, might be helpful:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7tWHJfhiyo

 
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Old 08-24-2012, 10:58 AM   #125
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oh my god i understand the problems with FPP and wish we had something different but we don't

 
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Old 08-24-2012, 01:25 PM   #126
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oh my god i understand the problems with FPP and wish we had something different but we don't
I guess if you understand the problems and yet still want to encourage them that is your choice. Bizarre. But your choice.

 
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Old 08-24-2012, 02:12 PM   #127
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Oh no, the only way to change it would be electing officials through a voting process. Nnnnooooooooooooooo!

 
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Old 08-24-2012, 06:21 PM   #128
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Democracy is coming

To the U.S.A


Just keep voting and waiting guys. It'll arrive eventually. LOL!

 
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Old 08-24-2012, 11:50 PM   #129
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keep voting
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Old 08-25-2012, 03:15 AM   #130
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this has nothing to do with whether a liberal supreme court would overturn it

holy fucking shit you two can be dense
so let me get this straight

vote for obama because he'll appoint a judge to overturn rulings you don't like

but the president has no control over the supreme court rulings

facinating logic. and by facinating i mean hilarious.

 
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Old 08-25-2012, 05:12 AM   #131
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faScinating

 
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Old 08-25-2012, 05:17 AM   #132
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I guess if you understand the problems and yet still want to encourage them that is your choice. Bizarre. But your choice.
we all know you're fond of radical agitation - and that's alright - but can't you try for one second to understand your less radical opponents? it's really not that hard

 
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Old 08-25-2012, 06:16 AM   #133
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so let me get this straight

vote for obama because he'll appoint a judge to overturn rulings you don't like

but the president has no control over the supreme court rulings

facinating logic. and by facinating i mean hilarious.
this is madness

 
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Old 08-25-2012, 06:29 AM   #134
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madness!

 
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Old 08-25-2012, 06:43 AM   #135
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we all know you're fond of radical agitation - and that's alright - but can't you try for one second to understand your less radical opponents? it's really not that hard
I understand the argument. I just think it's intellectually shallow and pragmatically futile.

 
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Old 08-25-2012, 10:51 AM   #136
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so let me get this straight

vote for obama because he'll appoint a judge to overturn rulings you don't like

but the president has no control over the supreme court rulings

facinating logic. and by facinating i mean hilarious.
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A dissenting opinion by Justice Stevens[25] was joined by Justice Ginsburg, Justice Breyer, and Justice Sotomayor. To emphasize his unhappiness with the majority, Stevens read part of his 90 page dissent from the bench.[26]
You clearly do not understand how any of this works. He will appoint liberal justices. He will not write their opinions. I'm done trying to fucking explain this to you.

 
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Old 08-25-2012, 10:53 AM   #137
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I understand the argument. I just think it's intellectually shallow and pragmatically futile.
and apparently bizarre?

 
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Old 08-25-2012, 12:22 PM   #138
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pragmatically futile.
well, no. that's the point these guys are making. it actually does make a small difference whether you vote rep or dem. nobody claimed it made a world's difference

 
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Old 08-25-2012, 01:00 PM   #139
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wuts up dudes

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Old 08-25-2012, 01:06 PM   #140
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well, no. that's the point these guys are making. it actually does make a small difference whether you vote rep or dem. nobody claimed it made a world's difference
How is it even remotely pragmatic to trade one baby step forward on one issue (which may or may not matter) for huge leaps backwards on about 45 other, often much more serious, issues?

 
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Old 08-25-2012, 02:27 PM   #141
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well, no. that's the point these guys are making. it actually does make a small difference whether you vote rep or dem. nobody claimed it made a world's difference
nah i'm sure everything would've went down exactly the same if bush wasn't president. hell it would've even been worse, but marginally

 
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Old 08-25-2012, 02:34 PM   #142
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How is it even remotely pragmatic to trade one baby step forward on one issue (which may or may not matter) for huge leaps backwards on about 45 other, often much more serious, issues?
the supreme court deals with a lot of serious issues. not just abortion. a more liberal court would smack down a lot of what bush and obama have done on foreign policy and national security.

and your avoiding taking the leaps backward in exchange for nothing.

 
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Old 08-25-2012, 02:35 PM   #143
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nah i'm sure everything would've went down exactly the same if bush wasn't president. hell it would've even been worse, but marginally
also this

assuming i'm reading the sarcasm correctly

 
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Old 08-25-2012, 02:44 PM   #144
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yeah i don't understand how people can think "it doesn't matter" when we had the most catastrophic administration in modern history a few years ago. that's the most mind boggling for me

its like the bush years were some distant historical curiosity

 
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Old 08-25-2012, 03:06 PM   #145
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You clearly do not understand how any of this works. He will appoint liberal justices. He will not write their opinions. I'm done trying to fucking explain this to you.
that's because you're not getting it, if they can deliberately appoint judges that are either pro life or pro choice then it's pretty simple find a judge that won't overturn citizens united

DUH ^2

 
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Old 08-25-2012, 03:08 PM   #146
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yeah i don't understand how people can think "it doesn't matter" when we had the most catastrophic administration in modern history a few years ago. that's the most mind boggling for me

its like the bush years were some distant historical curiosity
you mean bush who was appointed by the supreme court because of electoral fraud in a single state even though his opponent won the popular vote pretty convincingly

yeah i wonder why i would suddenly start to think voting doesn't matter

 
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Old 08-25-2012, 03:31 PM   #147
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It is discouraging but i dont think it was ever proven fraud? It is legally possible to win the pop vote and lose the EV.. even though it only happened in only one other election in history

But beside that my point is the trajection of history would probably be wildly fucking different if that election went differently. I'm old enough to remember the consensus in 2000 was 'well they're both tools. Imma sit out and vote for nader coz its the same either way'

 
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Old 08-25-2012, 04:00 PM   #148
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that's because you're not getting it, if they can deliberately appoint judges that are either pro life or pro choice then it's pretty simple find a judge that won't overturn citizens united

DUH 2
no, it's not nearly as simple. and the fact that you think that is why i'm done talking to you about this. your vote doesn't matter because you live in texas. if you lived in ohio, florida, pennsylvania, colorado, virginia, or north carolina, i'd keep going down this road.

and yes it sucks that neither of our votes matter. and i'm in favor of abolishing the electoral college. but we got what we got.

 
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Old 08-25-2012, 04:50 PM   #149
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no, it's not nearly as simple. and the fact that you think that is why i'm done talking to you about this.
you still seem unable or unwilling to answer why this logic is any less simplified than yours about roe vs. wade.

 
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Old 08-25-2012, 04:56 PM   #150
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you still seem unable or unwilling to answer why this logic is any less simplified than yours about roe vs. wade.
there are already 4 justices ready to overturn roe v. wade. the liberals (one of whom was an obama appointee) all voted in dissent of citizens united. i'm pretty sure i pointed that out already.

 
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