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Old 08-23-2012, 04:46 PM   #91
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yeah because you're still convinced it's defcon 6

even though everyone has pointed out that it's been defcon 6 on this issue for decades and decades

and then you're like "OMGZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ U DON'T NO HOW SUPER CORT WURX" and i'm like a case has to go through two levels before it even reaches the supreme court, also a retiring lefty judge, like RBG (lol) would probably step down during obama's lame duck, democrats would probably block any other hardline scalia/roberts/alito type from getting appointed as well as the fact that clarence thomas could quit or drop dead by the time the appeal to Roe v. Wade gets to the bench which could be a decade from now if at all, or that like just recently with roberts vote on obamacare there's no reason to believe that you know how someone is going to vote... i mean there are so many variables that acting like abortion will become illegal immediately if romney is president is hysteria.

i think it's more likely that he wars with iran, but you're just completely fucking focused on these goddamn social issues to the exclusion of all else.

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Old 08-23-2012, 04:52 PM   #92
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if you actually read roberts' opinion you would understand that it is nothing to be excited about.

and roe has been clearly in danger since planned parenthood v. casey. luckily we have had two democratic presidents during that time period to keep the balance from shifting further to the right. i don't want to bet on having that luck continue indefinitely.

and at least half of the country is pro-life. any republican appointee would potentially vote to overturn roe. it's not a risk worth taking so that we can just stomp our feet in frustration because the country is full of idiots and won't elect anyone good.

 
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Old 08-23-2012, 04:52 PM   #93
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oh i'm sorry i thought obamneycare was upheld

 
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Old 08-23-2012, 04:55 PM   #94
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but again, i don't want to go over all of this again. but it's not only roe. it's every fucking decision the court makes. you want citizens united overturned? elect a democratic president. it is the only way that can happen.

 
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Old 08-23-2012, 04:56 PM   #95
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oh i'm sorry i thought obamneycare was upheld
read the opinion before you try to talk to me about it

 
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Old 08-23-2012, 04:56 PM   #96
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citizens united is never getting overturned with the current party system, you're not paying attention

 
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Old 08-23-2012, 04:57 PM   #97
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read the opinion before you try to talk to me about it
i think you're alluding to the fact that it leaves the option to opt out of medicaid which no one in their right mind would ever do because it would enrage the all important gray vote.

 
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Old 08-23-2012, 04:57 PM   #98
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citizens united is never getting overturned you're not paying attention
it was a 5-4 decision

what the fuck are you talking about

 
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Old 08-23-2012, 04:57 PM   #99
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citizens united is just as big a boon for democrats as it is for republicans

 
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Old 08-23-2012, 04:57 PM   #100
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i think you're alluding to the fact that it leaves the option to opt out of medicaid which no one in their right mind would ever do because it would enrage the all important gray vote.
no, i'm not

read the goddamn opinion. his commerce clause discussion was radically conservative and laid the groundwork for more terrible decisions in the future.

 
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Old 08-23-2012, 04:58 PM   #101
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i'm talking about how politics is business now, not government. and that's why all of this is moot.

 
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Old 08-23-2012, 04:58 PM   #102
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no, i'm not

read the goddamn opinion. his commerce clause discussion was radically conservative and laid the groundwork for more terrible decisions in the future.
i'm probably too stupid to understand it anyway

 
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Old 08-23-2012, 04:59 PM   #103
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citizens united is just as big a boon for democrats as it is for republicans
that wouldn't matter even if it were true.

 
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Old 08-23-2012, 05:02 PM   #104
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lol, you just gotta believe with all your heart huh

 
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Old 08-23-2012, 05:02 PM   #105
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i think it's more likely that he wars with iran, but you're just completely fucking focused on these goddamn social issues to the exclusion of all else.
This is pretty much the big reason I favour Obama over Romney, gun to my head. It's crazy that a man who has killed thousands of innocents, directly ordered the death of an American child for god's sake, supports the use of indiscriminate drone strikes, has started several wars, continues to line the pockets of multi-national defence contractors and believes he has the right (and has acted on it) to assassinate American citizens is the less radical candidate.

 
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Old 08-23-2012, 05:03 PM   #106
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This is pretty much the big reason I favour Obama over Romney, gun to my head. It's crazy that a man who has killed thousands of innocents, directly ordered the death of an American child for god's sake, supports the use of indiscriminate drone strikes, has started several wars, continues to line the pockets of multi-national defence contractors and believes he has the right (and has acted on it) to assassinate American citizens is the less radical candidate.
see we're not all that different

 
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Old 08-23-2012, 05:05 PM   #107
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lol, you just gotta believe with all your heart huh

honestly i think the current court would potentially overturn it. i bet kennedy regrets his vote.

 
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Old 08-23-2012, 05:29 PM   #108
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i don't think either party as a whole wants a overturn based on all the dough they are raking in

 
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Old 08-23-2012, 05:33 PM   #109
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good thing the political parties don't write supreme court opinions.

 
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Old 08-23-2012, 05:46 PM   #110
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So... do we recognize that the difference between "My Side" and the other side is science? Or are we going to respect the opinions of Bible-thumping, climate-change-denying, trickle-down economists?

Strength of belief does not equal truth...

 
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Old 08-23-2012, 06:04 PM   #111
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This is pretty much the big reason I favour Obama over Romney, gun to my head. It's crazy that a man who has killed thousands of innocents, directly ordered the death of an American child for god's sake, supports the use of indiscriminate drone strikes, has started several wars, continues to line the pockets of multi-national defence contractors and believes he has the right (and has acted on it) to assassinate American citizens is the less radical candidate.
not really most of these things don't make obama different than any other US president

 
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Old 08-23-2012, 06:17 PM   #112
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what several wars did obama start. sigh nevermind dont answer that

 
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The war on Christmas, the war on God, the war on freedom...

 
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Old 08-23-2012, 06:53 PM   #114
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what several wars did obama start. sigh nevermind dont answer that
I'm sure he means intervention in Libya, extension of Bush's assassination program in Pakistan, sending military advisers to Uganda

 
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Old 08-23-2012, 07:36 PM   #115
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What heartless warlord would follow france in aiding libyan rebels to fight a lunatic despot. Obama truly is a rightwing nutjob

 
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Old 08-23-2012, 10:12 PM   #116
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What heartless warlord would follow france in aiding libyan rebels to fight a lunatic despot. Obama truly is a rightwing nutjob
well since the iraq war and the our country's experiment with a neoconservative administration, less moderate liberals have generally retreated from their traditional espousal to "compassionate" intervention.

 
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Old 08-24-2012, 01:33 AM   #117
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citizens united is never getting overturned with the current party system, you're not paying attention
I tried and failed, he doesnt get this part

edit: hes convinced the dem party will always be against it

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Old 08-24-2012, 01:34 AM   #118
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i wouldnt say never though, thats over shooting a bit

 
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Old 08-24-2012, 01:37 AM   #119
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why are people convinced he will war with Iran? I didnt get this view when they said it about McCain either. I mean if Israel does anything we're pretty much there regardless of who's President, and I dont see either R or O doing it on their own.

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Old 08-24-2012, 04:11 AM   #120
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see we're not all that different
Maybe, but I'm willing to say to Obama (and any other presidential candidates) that it's unacceptable to outright promise one thing for my vote and then do exactly the opposite. I also want to say, by voting for a third, more ideological party, that these issues are more important to me than what Obama or Romney are pedaling.

You are communicating, by your vote for Obama, that you are perfectly okay with everything he's done - because ultimately, he hasn't killed enough people or payed off enough executives to make you stay home or do something else. So why would any future democratic candidate do anything different? You are proving to them that they don't have to. You are enabling the very policies that you (supposedly) don't like. It's pretty much classic codependency.

I mean, I don't expect to convince you to change you vote, but I think it's at least important for you to know what you are doing.

 
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