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09-20-2022, 10:21 AM | #151 | |
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listen to his latest jazz record, the dude is just as good as he's always been... listen to how 'with sympathy' is the best song theyve released since zwan, he gets a cowrite |
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09-20-2022, 10:22 AM | #152 |
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the difference between him and james is they both do the same thing in the studio but jimmy will double down and defend it and pretend like he cares about it to please the boss
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09-20-2022, 10:30 AM | #153 |
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As a songwriter and guitar-part composer himself, I wonder what input James had into all this. Was he sent rough mixes and told "add something on that" and did all he add stay in the final mix?
Was Jeff in the studio? How many songs will be Billy solo? Either with a synth or an acoustic guitar. I'd say there'll be at least one Cotillions-style solo song. With those two long tracks on disc 3, I'm not sure there was ever a situation where they were in the studio to jam, so they may not be classic SP epics. |
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09-20-2022, 10:32 AM | #154 |
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Watched the video last night on my phone and was not impressed, but having actually listened to the song on headphones now, it was definitely better than I first believed. I wish he'd try and vary the guitar tone from that "Solara" sound. It absolutely crushes the dynamics of anything else, but all-in-all not half bad. The main riff itself actually works pretty well. It is about what I would expect from a "rock" record from Smashing Pumpkins in 2022: nothing more, nothing less.
Video was a bit silly, but seems to be in good fun. We did get to see Jack Bates rocking the fuck out, so that made it worthwhile. |
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09-20-2022, 10:34 AM | #155 |
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09-20-2022, 11:06 AM | #156 |
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Fuck this shit
Horrible first single. No energy at all. Solara's good compared to this. Even Cyr is better than this. Just depressing.
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09-20-2022, 11:07 AM | #157 | |
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WHY WHY WHY are they not jamming songs like a normal fucking band does and yeah JC's parts on all the new SP stuff sound completely dull. just a sampled half-open hihat and 'rock snare 5' playing the most dull straight ahead beat you've ever heard i guess he's kinda doubling the guitar during a few little bits but it's just dull plodding slushy hihats all song |
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09-20-2022, 11:19 AM | #158 |
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well it certainly makes CYR sound a bit better
i gotta hand it to Corgan, everyone's so hung up on "destroying tha legacy!!!!" but in reality this bullshit just kinda levitates the OG stuff even more now all of you, stfu & go to your local record store or venue or whatever the hell & find bands that are, you know, actually doing these things you want this band of merry & married 50+s to churn out when they clearly are not "about it" |
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09-20-2022, 11:21 AM | #159 | |
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09-20-2022, 11:24 AM | #160 |
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Of all the 90s bands that either came back, or never went away but kept making records, there's only one band that released new music as good as, if not better than, their original run.
And that band is RIDE. |
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09-20-2022, 11:29 AM | #161 | |
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And it shows. I agree listening on headphones it's improved somewhat, there is a quick little riff at one point that was fun. But overall, so uninspired. Even James' whammy solo just seems pasted over top. So funny thinking back to those Guitar World columns Billy did where he talked about the dynamics of a song. Now everything is chug-chug-chuggy-chug-chug |
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09-20-2022, 11:34 AM | #162 |
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09-20-2022, 11:35 AM | #163 |
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The riff sounds like something I'd have written trying to ape Iron Maiden at 13. I do like the bridge, though.
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09-20-2022, 11:48 AM | #164 |
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Wasn't there someone else on here using that same racist avatar image (probably from the Frogs; it didn't age well)? Why recycle it?
I am looking forward to actually being able to conceive of a 2nd SP best of disc for 2007 and beyond. Not sure I would ever listen to it though. |
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09-20-2022, 11:54 AM | #165 |
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I genuinely wonder how many of you are just so jaded that there's literally nothing that they can release that you'd like.
I'm just as jaded as the next guy, but I truly think "Beguiled" is a strong song for them. It goes back to the rock roots instead of this Shiny/Cyr synth shit and has some great guitar licks. If Billy's vocals were buried a bit more in the mix and the production was a bit more muddy, you could sell this off as a song that was written 15 years ago. On streaming, it sounds a lot better than the TikTok rip from last night. I also bet they will slay this song live. This song gives me hope that there will be some great tracks on ATUM. It will never be another Gish/SD/MCIS, and Billy's doing no favors for himself by bringing them up so much in comparison here, but all this negativity from a song that could have been so much worse leads me to believe that the only way you'll like anything is if it's an unearthed song recorded pre-2000. |
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09-20-2022, 11:58 AM | #166 | |
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09-20-2022, 12:04 PM | #167 | |
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I would really like to listen to a new song where Jimmy actually sounds like Jimmy. |
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09-20-2022, 12:18 PM | #168 |
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19K view 1.2k like youtube ( no video version)
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09-20-2022, 12:21 PM | #169 |
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09-20-2022, 12:23 PM | #170 | |
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09-20-2022, 12:24 PM | #171 | |
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I'm trying to be optimistic that in 33 songs there will be a few moments that let Jimmy shine. Maybe they'll even surprise us and throw a few James vocal songs on there too. |
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09-20-2022, 12:28 PM | #172 |
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James vocals? What is this 1995?
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09-20-2022, 12:29 PM | #173 |
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09-20-2022, 12:31 PM | #174 |
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09-20-2022, 12:36 PM | #175 |
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So was the TikTok video last night the filming? The lighting on this looks completely different.
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09-20-2022, 12:37 PM | #176 |
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can the children file a complaint?
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09-20-2022, 12:39 PM | #177 |
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Return the faith - in SP?
Honestly, this sounds like wrestling promo music. |
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09-20-2022, 12:40 PM | #178 | |
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I think if this came directly after Shiny I'd probably rate it a bit higher, there's more to it than say, Solara, but Shiny and Cyr back to back was so horrid I really needed something spectacular to clear my palate. |
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09-20-2022, 12:47 PM | #179 |
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Man I loved it to be quite honest and I’m a certified hater. It’s got that big chorus, lots of swagger, and seems to be something other than just a basic 3 minute pop song like all of Cyr. Also the vocals are a bit down in the mix actually?
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09-20-2022, 12:50 PM | #180 |
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Better than most things in the past 10 years. Still not good. But much better. I can also see this actually getting played on the radio.
I listened to it stoned last night and hated it, but today it seems better. Usually the opposite is true of truly good music. |
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