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Old 12-05-2022, 10:46 AM   #211
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C'mon who are we kidding?

We all would sell the Taylor Swift's bootlicker here down the river for another Billy song as good as DOF.

Fuck, i'd even throw in Run2pee FoolofaTook and Dinosaur Jr's best friend for another MSOTS!
Cute, you have a list of enemies.

Run2pee and ruse bring more substance to this board than you could ever dream of.

 
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Old 12-05-2022, 12:14 PM   #212
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Cute, you have a list of enemies.

Run2pee and ruse bring more substance to this board than you could ever dream of.
Enemies? Not at all.

I thought you'd be happy to sacrifice yourself for The Cause.

To try to make your life make sense. But you're not making seeeense

 
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Old 12-05-2022, 02:42 PM   #213
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Old 12-05-2022, 02:56 PM   #214
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Got a broken ego broken heartttt
God I donít even know where to start

 
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Old 12-05-2022, 02:59 PM   #215
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Zwan is meh. It's not bad but....not so exciting.

Would you guys have bothered with this "American alternative rock supergroup" (lol) if it wasn't for BC and JC?
Yes, i loved zwan, i was really excited about it, right up until i heard "honestly" on the radio and though...uh oh....

 
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Old 12-05-2022, 04:02 PM   #216
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Yes, i loved zwan, i was really excited about it, right up until i heard "honestly" on the radio and though...uh oh....
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Old 12-05-2022, 05:42 PM   #217
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Yes, i loved zwan, i was really excited about it, right up until i heard "honestly" on the radio and though...uh oh....
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Old 12-05-2022, 09:19 PM   #218
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I honestly loved Honestly back then (and still like it to a certain extent).
I was 13 and super hyped because I just found out about the pumpkins and thought Zwan would be an equally magical ride

 
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Old 12-05-2022, 09:43 PM   #219
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I honestly loved Honestly back then (and still like it to a certain extent).
I was 13 and super hyped because I just found out about the pumpkins and thought Zwan would be an equally magical ride
It's a really good song, it's just not what i was expecting and when i heard it i was like "oh big willie is trying to write 'today' again or some other world-conquering hit and this doesn't feel especially felt or moving, it's just catchy and well-constructed but it's not touching me in my parts" and etc etc

After listening to my 2002-Apr-5 bootleg from the Blue Note show for months and months, it just struck me as like hmmm this doesn't feel authentic, doesn't sound like zwan

 
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Old 12-05-2022, 09:52 PM   #220
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I did not like Honestly. I don't like the Zwan album. I do not look at Zwan as fondly as others do.

 
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Old 12-05-2022, 09:52 PM   #221
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all of zwan was good but glass house era >>> everything else

 
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Old 12-05-2022, 09:53 PM   #222
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MSOTS the song rips, the album is pretty good, miles and miles above anything ZG-now

 
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Old 12-05-2022, 09:55 PM   #223
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I did not like Honestly. I don't like the Zwan album. I do not look at Zwan as fondly as others do.
What about live pre-album zwan. Did u ever even hear it?

 
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Old 12-05-2022, 11:02 PM   #224
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Still one of my favorite things Billy ever wrote, that includes the Pumpkins as well

 
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Old 12-05-2022, 11:14 PM   #225
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Old 12-05-2022, 11:21 PM   #226
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Old 12-05-2022, 11:41 PM   #227
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i actually think Honestly's alright, & like a few off the album but some of you are absolutely wearing very vivid rose-tinters when talking about Zwan (at least when it comes to acting like MSOTS is "miles above" ZG & co) because god damn that was just an insane steep drop-off being his first studio release after Machina

 
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Old 12-06-2022, 01:03 AM   #228
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Personally, I recognize the steep disparity between pre-MSOTS Zwan and, well, MSOTS Zwan, but when that record came out, that was all I'd heard of them, and I liked it. There were some clunkers, but the songs I recall (I like Honestly a lot) were good. "Remove my spirit from darkness / Love become my hammer" is such a good line I'm still convinced he lifted it from something, but I've never been able to find out what. And the non-album stuff, hell, there's a lot of good shit there. When they worked, they were great.

 
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Old 12-06-2022, 01:44 AM   #229
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i actually think Honestly's alright, & like a few off the album but some of you are absolutely wearing very vivid rose-tinters when talking about Zwan (at least when it comes to acting like MSOTS is "miles above" ZG & co) because god damn that was just an insane steep drop-off being his first studio release after Machina
Sure, but it was better than anything that came out after including zeitgeist

 
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Old 12-06-2022, 01:46 AM   #230
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But i never got into zeitgeist, can’t connect with it emotionally at all. Basically same problem up to today with post 2000 SP

However zwan has a looooooot of feeling including on msots

 
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Old 12-06-2022, 01:49 AM   #231
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If i want to go ooooh chexk out those blistering omf those wicked those guitars and wooo-eeee them killer drums, and not connect emotionally at all

There is Pantera and Metallica and all the other shit the younger folk listen to. As a bonus, these bands don’t have bored dry outrageously loud vocals ruining everything that is otherwise good in this shitworld

 
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Old 12-06-2022, 01:50 AM   #232
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Like i never connected with SP because they were a rockin metal band duuuuuude

It’s cause big willie had such big feelings that he felt so hard and i had so many hard feelings that i felt so big, that we connected….

Just me and big willie

 
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Old 12-06-2022, 01:51 AM   #233
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Old 12-06-2022, 02:08 AM   #234
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I like Honestly about as much as I don't like the rest of the album. Mildly. They're very neutral, pleasant enough but no spice.

 
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Old 12-06-2022, 05:20 AM   #235
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Still one of my favorite things Billy ever wrote, that includes the Pumpkins as well
Agree that it's great, but imagine he sang Ogilala / Cotillions / in fact everything since with that voice. It would be massively improved.

 
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Old 12-06-2022, 11:21 AM   #236
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Like i never connected with SP because they were a rockin metal band duuuuuude
I feel like equating ZG to this is on par with me always looking back on Mary Star as a lame christian rock "adjacent" record. it's not really true but the first impressions clearly led us that way

i don't love zeitgeist but it's at least more fun to listen to for me than most of the SP-related records surrounding it (excluding JCC)

 
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Old 12-06-2022, 03:09 PM   #237
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What about live pre-album zwan. Did u ever even hear it?
I enjoyed Dust My Broom, Chrysanthemum, and Ride A Black Swan

 
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