metal fingers clutching dirty sheets

[slunken]

[teh b0lly!!1]

"this is the perfect song to get Dad to play on"

[T&T]

The shards of broken glass
Sing the strains of a sad old tune
We've made it at last
What we had is lost inside our past

.

[teh b0lly!!1]

what the guns n' roses those lyrics got to do with anything

[slunken]

Originally Posted by teh b0lly!!1

"this is the perfect song to get Dad to play on"

no way that was a "fun" decision

it had to be begrudging, right?

the song?

[slunken]

but boy does it hit tho

[Butt Pope]

Goddamn Billy wrote a lot of good songs back then

[teh b0lly!!1]

Originally Posted by slunken

no way that was a "fun" decision

it had to be begrudging, right?

the song?

yeah, I always kinda thought so.

I don't really buy it as a suicide song. It's more along a 'lovin my own sadness' vibe tbh, not to cast shadow on it tho. I think it's more like, at the end of all things, I just want to be at peace with my dad.

I always wondered about BC and his dad's relationship. He talks very little about it. The dynamic of being severely abused by him as a child, and then achieving the ultimate success his dad had always dreamed of for himself, seems like it could be the ultimate power trip. But Billy never actually spoke of how it changed their relationship at all.

I think on Rogan he said that his dad would say stuff like "hey ya know if ya need me to write a few songs for your new record...". Like total typical toolbag shit from an old abuser.

Billy is a pretty vitriolic person but at least outwardly it seems like his father is the one person who he never dared fucking with. It's all pretty sad. Families are sad.

[T&T]

was his dad the abuser? I remember it was the step-moms/grandparents that his dad abandoned him with that were abusive. his father was just passive to the abuse.

[Forgotten Child]

Both

[run2pee]

Originally Posted by T&T

was his dad the abuser? I remember it was the step-moms/grandparents that his dad abandoned him with that were abusive. his father was just passive to the abuse.

Dad beat him to bleeding with a belt by the refrigerator. Live journal i think

[topleybird]

Would his mother been in a hospital dying when he wrote this? I've long had this whole thing in my head about this being the Billies sitting at her bedside saying their goodbyes, but I just realized this came out a few months before she passed and I'm wondering if I need to kiss that reading goodbye.

[Forgotten Child]

Originally Posted by topleybird

Would his mother been in a hospital dying when he wrote this? I've long had this whole thing in my head about this being the Billies sitting at her bedside saying their goodbyes, but I just realized this came out a few months before she passed and I'm wondering if I need to kiss that reading goodbye.

I always understood this verse as a metaphor for skyscrapers against skies on cloudy days.

[Rairun]

Sufjan's Carrie & Lowell (the album) reminds me a bit of this song, in the sense that it's about trying to make sense of and bring resolution to a parental relationship that you will never really have the key to. You will never understand why, you will never bridge that gap no matter how much you yearn for it, and you need to find your own way to write your last song about it and move on.

[cork_soaker]

[teh b0lly!!1]

hell yeah Billy bullied his pops in the studio o/*\o

[teh b0lly!!1]

"borrowing liberally frmo the 7th chordal frames of 'Here is no Why'" = "oh yeah that A chord I also used on my other song"

[Joey Goldberg]

is there anyone in the past 30 years of "modern rock" who has used the word "grandiose" even a quarter as much as our beloved Billy C?

[strtj]

Originally Posted by cork_soaker

Is any of Baldy Sr.'s stuff available anywhere in any form? Also I really want to know if his "home studio" was a real recording setup or if it was just a 4track hooked up to some monitors in a corner of the bedroom

[slunken]

Originally Posted by teh b0lly!!1

yeah, I always kinda thought so.

I don't really buy it as a suicide song.

wait hold on

i never saw this as a suicide song

i always thought it could be a love song like "no more songs dedicated to you we're done"

+++++++++

but with the inclusion of his dad it could double-up as "no more songs about relationships with my dad i've put that to bed now"


absolutely never even considered this whole "oh no the last song i'mma kill mahself" angle

[slunken]

Originally Posted by strtj

Is any of Baldy Sr.'s stuff available anywhere in any form? Also I really want to know if his "home studio" was a real recording setup or if it was just a 4track hooked up to some monitors in a corner of the bedroom

i think BC JR alluded that BC SR was more into the lifestyle if you know what i mean

[slunken]

oh shit so i forgot my point - is "metal fingers clutching dirty sheets" possibly related to "sally's in the stirrups claiming her destiny"

????

you can't argue the imagery

[cork_soaker]

Originally Posted by slunken

i always thought it could be a love song like "no more songs dedicated to you we're done"

Yes, the "suicide song" interpretation is idiotic (last song durr hurr), and there's no indication that Bill's dad has anything to do with the song's inspiration or meaning. I read it similarly to how you've described.

[cork_soaker]

..................................across me
.......................a way
could you find

[slunken]

can you imagine being so guns and roses that you're like "hold on - "the last song"???"

OMG BILLY WANTS TO KILL HIMSELF

[slunken]

when did this theory pop up? surely this must be from new children

[slunken]

like is this a reddit thing or (even worse) a netphoria thing?

[slunken]

just vibing on that outro solo

[slunken]

i wonder how many takes Billy made him do before he was like "ugh it''s fine" like a bad son

[slunken]

conspiracy theory: billy played all his dad's parts