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Old 12-14-2014, 09:43 PM   #1
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Default Gish and Day for Night link?

Well, for some reason I wanted to look up why Billy named the album Gish, Gish. I knew it was for Lilian Gish but wanted to see if there was a reason and basically his grandmother saw her once and it stuck with him.

Anyway, in her wiki I came across a movie called Day for Night that was dedicated to Lilian and Dorothy Gish.

Anyone know if this is where Billy got the name or know anything about the movie? Just found it interesting and just stumbled across this just now.

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Old 12-14-2014, 10:54 PM   #2
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somewhere in the not so distant future, we may find a world of not so subtle torments...for amidst the rubble of urban decay and barren wastelands find wander a billion shattered souls...disconnected from themselves by impersonal technologies and personal cause...one such soul is the center of our story, and his name is GLASS...he is the lead singer of THE MACHINES OF GOD, and he believes that GOD itself has asked him to try to change the world...this poses two simple questions: "what is important in a place such as this?" and "is GLASS a prophet sage or just someone who has gone quite mad indeed?!...

but first we must go back into the decadent swirl of the past to set the stage for what is to come...you see, GLASS used to be named zero, and the band the smashing pumpkins, at least until zero convinced the band to change the name of the group...they were the biggest band in the world, so this was a very courageous move to make...one day zero had been alone in his house, quietly listening to the radio when a voice began to speak slowly and clearly to him...it was the voice he had heard in his head since he was a child, but now it spoke to him thru the radio...this voice, which came to be known as the I OF THE RADIO, told zero that his life was predestined, and in order to fulfill his destiny he would need to devote his life to a much higher calling, one that would look beyond the material trappings of the occluded world...this epiphany that he was indeed important was a life changing and soul shattering experience, giving him newfound confidence and spiritual purpose...he finds sudden clarity in his spirit, but can now see the utter shallowness of his real (and particularly) public life...this sudden change causes many around him to distrust where all of this is coming from...but his band stands with him when he changes his name to GLASS and rechristens the band the now aptly titled MACHINES OF GOD...

in his heart however, GLASS secretly questions why he has been chosen...he is both enamoured and flattered by the idea, but at the same time is innately resistant to the responsibilities that this will bring...in his mind, god has aligned himself with GLASS, and GLASS has aligned himself with god...a messenger he shall be, but is he just a c.o.g. within another c.o.g. within another machine?...he decides to use the instrument of his band to spread the truth of life and that love and only love can be the answer...so our story begins with GLASS AND THE MACHINES OF GOD at the height of their material powers, with the most devoted fans in the world, and having just changed the name of the band, releasing their new album, entitled MACHINA...

for years our hero has searched for his true love, the woman of his dreams, JUNE...he called her by many names hoping that there somewhere out there she waited for him too...so one night after a concert, he saw her, and right then and there he knew he had finally found her...JUNE was his perfect reflection, everything that he was not...she brings to him the universal truths of life and living, and a life he has never had... what he does not realize then is that he has fallen in love with a reflection of himself...she embodies the darkness he can only write about...she lives the life of flesh and bone, one he can only think about...so for one short period of time, our hero once zero feels complete and whole, with god and a woman by his side...

GLASS finds himself increasingly torn between his new love and his true calling as a messenger...he doesn't realize that he really doesn't have to make a choice between the light and her darkness...he tries to find balance between his humanity and his spiritual pursuits...unknown to GLASS, the hedonism and electric energy of GLASS' accelerated world fuel JUNE's ever increasing secret drug problems...GLASS comes home one night to find JUNE in a drugged haze, a vinyl record hissing endlessly on the out groove...JUNE is so out of it that she doesn't recognize GLASS at all, as he calls to her to come back to him...the truth revealed, GLASS sits next to her and, in a rare moment of candor, reveals that god has been speaking to him thru the radio, knowing full well that JUNE probably won't remember the conversation...despite that, GLASS reveals that he has doubts about the validity of the messages and wonders if he is going insane...

GLASS decides because he loves her so, he will try to save her as he is trying to save everyone else, with the power of his healing...GLASS is now on a crusade to save everyone in his life; his band, his girl, his audience, and consequently the world...the only problem is that he has forgotten to save himself...

GLASS begins to lose his balance on both ends when he becomes over righteous and indignant in his beliefs, alienating those who already believe in him and turning off potential new converts...GLASS sees himself as some sort of cosmic preacher, and if he just shouts loud enough the message will somehow get thru the din...JUNE, finding the solace and power in GLASS that she couldn't muster on her own, begins to believe that she does not need him anymore...she has taken her fill from his light, and like so many others that have taken from GLASS, question whether they ever needed him at all...GLASS begins to bitter at the prospect that he is being toyed with and used by god and JUNE... slowly, GLASS begins to lose faith in his seemingly unshakeable beliefs...he becomes paranoid, believing that everyone is out to get him...the new album is released and is not well received by the fans or the general public...for the first time since the band began, GLASS is publicly humiliated...he begins to question the validity of the messages, thinking perhaps they are from a false god or that his filters of perception are misaligned... he begins to descend into madness, accusing JUNE of disloyalty...in one final argument, she admits she never loved him at all, and that she did hear him tell her about being spoken to by god, and that she believes he is insane...she tells him goodbye for the last time and storms off into the rainy night...she loses control of her car, and is killed when it skids off the road...GLASS blames god for the loss of JUNE, idealizing his time with her because he can not let go of what her vision means to his faith...he blames the fans for their betrayal at not supporting and following the bands new direction...inconsolable, and without informing the MACHINES, GLASS impulsively tells an audience one night that the band is going to break up and will only play one more final, and sadly tragic show...

the night before the final concert, GLASS has a prophetic dream that he is a soldier in a war...he wears a uniform, but does not know who the enemy is or even what side he is fighting for...he wanders the empty streets, gun in hand, looking for anyone at all...in a dark starewell he meets a faceless soldier who takes him by the hand into a dusky basement...the soldier does not speak, and together they sit underneath a single hanging bulb...he is just an animal, seeking shelter, warmth, food, and love...this dream, and the MACHINES final concert send GLASS into a disturbing tailspin...he feels truly and utterly alone...

after the final concert GLASS is quickly forgotten by the public, and he takes to living in an empty warehouse away from anyone at all...he has always felt alone, but now all of the things that gave him strength, focus, and identity are gone...he faces his own doubt and mortality for the first time...he begins to walk by himself at dawn thru the waking streets, and slowly finds an inner peace with his spirit...he begins to forgive and accept the things that have happened to him, and understand that his desire to find perfection above his own humanity led him to things that he did not really want or need...he begins to love and empathize with others without fear of consequence, and so in his aloneness realizes that he was never really alone at all... GOD has always been with him, and always will be...and so in this moment he fulfills his destiny, both for himself and for GOD...

 
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Old 12-14-2014, 10:57 PM   #3
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isn't the album going to be called "day and night"?

 
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Old 12-14-2014, 11:01 PM   #4
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isn't the album going to be called "day and night"?
No.

 
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Old 12-14-2014, 11:07 PM   #5
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Old 12-14-2014, 11:24 PM   #6
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Yeah it's a Truffaut film. I didn't remember a dedication to Gish though even if i saw it a few times. It's a movie about shooting a movie... It's called La Nuit Americaine in its original title though. The title refers to the shooting technique of shooting during daytime but with artificial light and underexposed to pretend it's night, which was done a lot during the B&W years. It was obviosuly developed in america which is why in french the technique is called american night.

 
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Old 12-14-2014, 11:25 PM   #7
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But i figured corgan called it that cause he knew about the shooting technique, not cause he's a fan of Truffaut or the film. But i don't know.

 
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Old 12-14-2014, 11:27 PM   #8
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American night is a cooler name for an album. Billy you suck.

 
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Old 12-14-2014, 11:28 PM   #9
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I figure after American Gothic he wouldn't want to have another american titled release.

 
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Old 12-14-2014, 11:41 PM   #10
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American night would be a cool bowie album title

 
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Old 12-15-2014, 12:17 AM   #11
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Old 12-15-2014, 12:18 AM   #12
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New Death Pop Stuff

 
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Old 12-15-2014, 12:26 AM   #13
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Old 12-15-2014, 01:43 AM   #14
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Day for Night is a term used in the film industry to indicate when something is shot during the daytime but made to look like a night shot.

 
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Old 12-15-2014, 02:25 AM   #15
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http://cps-static.rovicorp.com/3/JPG...0001752884.jpg

http://images.moviepostershop.com/da...1020521861.jpg

and a book by that title exists as well

http://www.kaiandsunny.com/images/pu...r-night-UP.jpg


Moloko anyone


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Old 12-15-2014, 09:50 AM   #16
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gish was supposed to be called fish

 
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Old 12-15-2014, 10:32 AM   #17
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Yeah it's a Truffaut film. I didn't remember a dedication to Gish though even if i saw it a few times. It's a movie about shooting a movie... It's called La Nuit Americaine in its original title though. The title refers to the shooting technique of shooting during daytime but with artificial light and underexposed to pretend it's night, which was done a lot during the B&W years. It was obviosuly developed in america which is why in french the technique is called american night.
The film opens with a picture of Lillian and Dorothy Gish, to whom it is dedicated

 
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Old 12-15-2014, 02:22 PM   #18
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Fuck you, Anderson Cooper!

 
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Old 12-15-2014, 02:26 PM   #19
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American night would be a cool bowie album title
That is the perfect title 80s noir inspired album, like a Kavinsky album or something.

 
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Old 12-15-2014, 02:32 PM   #20
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oh wow. pretty sure this is not a coincidence. D4N is the last Smashing Pumpkins album - the fool's journey completes. Teargarden actually makes sense! damn billy you pulled it off

 
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That is the perfect title 80s noir inspired album, like a Kavinsky album or something.
I'm down.

 
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