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Old 12-27-2011, 05:37 AM   #31
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poor guy. he didn't do anything wrong.

and as far as i know, he wasn't into punk. so if that's the reason the judge put him in jail, he should really reconsider.

 
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Old 12-27-2011, 05:40 AM   #32
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someone is trying too hard with the ironic sarcasm.

 
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Old 12-27-2011, 06:22 AM   #33
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I scoff at all the people defending this guy. I don't really care if he seemed like a cool guy on his website, killing someone is wrong, this Tripod page could have been a mask he was hiding behind "Oh hey guys, I make SP shirts and I'm really cool and he's a photo of my girlfriend." No one knows what was going on inside his head, he could have planned this sort of thing for months.

"...A disturbed loner with a history of abusing animals and small children, Manzie lured Werner into his home as the boy sold PTA merchandise door to door. Manzie attempted to have sex with him before strangling him with the cord of an alarm clock..."

All for no reason.

 
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Old 12-27-2011, 06:35 AM   #34
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dunno, man. those kids who go round door to door, selling junk, they really piss me off too. it's like the junior version of mormons. they make my blood boil.

 
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Old 12-27-2011, 06:35 AM   #35
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if you want to call that "no reason", then that's your responsability.

 
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Old 12-27-2011, 06:50 AM   #36
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dunno, man. those kids who go round door to door, selling junk, they really piss me off too. it's like the junior version of mormons. they make my blood boil.
So just because someone makes your blood boil gives you the right to try to sodomize them and strangle them with a cord? Pretty immoral.

 
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Old 12-27-2011, 07:22 AM   #37
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He got into the Pumpkins at exactly the same time and same way as me. Weird reading that shit within regards to what he did.

 
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fucking hell. It's Radiofred!

 
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Old 12-27-2011, 07:48 AM   #39
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dayummm.

 
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Old 12-27-2011, 08:08 AM   #40
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So just because someone makes your blood boil gives you the right to try to sodomize them and strangle them with a cord? Pretty immoral.
maybe the kid was like "hey you, wanna piece of this" and then he started licking a candy bar? and then other things happened. pretty immoral!

 
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Old 12-27-2011, 08:13 AM   #41
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It's good to be back Kahlo.

 
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Old 12-27-2011, 08:26 AM   #42
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I scoff at all the people defending this guy. I don't really care if he seemed like a cool guy on his website, killing someone is wrong, this Tripod page could have been a mask he was hiding behind "Oh hey guys, I make SP shirts and I'm really cool and he's a photo of my girlfriend." No one knows what was going on inside his head, he could have planned this sort of thing for months.

"...A disturbed loner with a history of abusing animals and small children, Manzie lured Werner into his home as the boy sold PTA merchandise door to door. Manzie attempted to have sex with him before strangling him with the cord of an alarm clock..."
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All for no reason.
who is legit defending him? (obv don't count the trolls)

he is responsible for what he did, but the juvenile courts also failed.

 
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dayummm.
She was 14-15 when this was taken

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It's good to be back Kahlo.
Hows the music goin?

 
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Old 12-27-2011, 09:25 AM   #45
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I'm fourteen.

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maybe the kid was like "hey you, wanna piece of this" and then he started licking a candy bar? and then other things happened. pretty immoral!
If some kid licked a piece of candy in front of me, I wouldn't try to sodomize the guy, I would probably say "lol u queer" and walk away but i wouldn't try to strangle him with a cord.

 
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Old 12-27-2011, 09:28 AM   #47
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the kid was clearly asking for it.

 
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Old 12-27-2011, 09:29 AM   #48
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Someone tell Sam Manzie that if I wasn't a newborn in 1997, I would have boinked his girlfriend.

 
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Old 12-27-2011, 10:01 AM   #49
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I actually don't know the answer to 50% of the "hardest SP quiz" questions
http://anon27.tripod.com/XSpaceboy1/trivia.html
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1) What are one of the few dates in the Smashing Pumpkins history that they played a show on
one of the member's birthdays? HINT: 6/9/92 is not a valid answer.


2) What are the dates of the 2 known times that Daydream has been performed live?


3) What is the actual date of the video taped Smashing Pumpkins show that claims to be an
8/12/91 show?


4) What is the only Mellon Collie And The Infinite Sadness video where Billy Corgan still has
Siamese Dream era hair?


5) Which Smashing Pumpkins video is Jonathan Melvoin in?


6) Which Smashing Pumpkins video did Kevin Kerslake direct?


7) What are the names of all 12 songs that the Smashing Pumpkins have made a video for?
HINT: There is NOT a video for Luna; whoever posted the message to the Siamese Dreamers
mailing list saying there is a video for Luna is wrong.


8) What is the name of the man that made the movie that the Tonight, Tonight video was
modeled after? HINT: The boat.


9) In which Catherine video does D'arcy star?


10) What song by the Beatles did Jimmy Chamberlin & Pearl Jam cover in 1992?


11) What Marilyn Manson song did Smashing Pumpkins cover in Miami, Florida?


12) What is the name of the girl that the song Starla was named after?


13) What rare song played at a Double Doors show do the following lyrics come from: "truth is
rare, this I believe, the truth is in their pure deceit, blessed in your naivete"?


14) How many times is the Doom explosion heard in Where Boys Fear To Tread?


15) What is the only official release that the Smashing Pumpkins singing Rudolph The Red
Nosed Reindeer can be found on?


16) What is the name of the song that Embryonic is an instrumental version of?


17) What are the 2 songs found on the MCIS triple vinyl but not on the the MCIS double CD?


18) What are at least 10 songs that James Iha has either written or co-written?


19) The lyrics to what song can be found in the liner booklet for the Lull EP? HINT: It's not one of
the songs on the Lull EP.


20) On what official release is Honey Spider II found?


21) What song from Siamese Dream can be found live on NME Brat Pack 1994?


22) What is the full title of the release that Ascendo is found on? HINT: The *full* title is more
than 3 words.


23) In the song Said Sadly who is the female vocalist & what group is she from?


24) Who plays drums on Blew Away?


25) Who plays guitar on The Last Song?


26) On what Siamese Dream single is there a karaoke version of the Star Spangled Banner?
HINT: It's a hidden track.


27) What was the first song recorded for Mellon Collie And The Infinite Sadness?


28) What are the 2 incorrect titles that Terrapin is listed as on bootlegs?


29) What are at least 2 songs found on Pastichio Medley that have full versions available either
on bootlegs or official releases?


30) What 4 songs were cut off of the Black Sessions bootleg that were played on 6/29/93 in
Studio 10S, Paris, France?


31) The song known as Strolling (or Fools We Are) is rumored to be the demo of what Mellon
Collie song?


32) What are at least 9 songs heard in Vieuphoria not found on Siamese Dream? HINT: Go
beyond the song list on the back of the video cover & even beyond the Earphoria tracklist.


33) What are the 5 songs that "June" is mentioned in?


34) What High School did D'arcy Wretzky attend?


35) What High School did James Iha attend?


36) What High School did Billy Corgan attend?


37) What High School did Jimmy Chamberlin attend?


38) What is the astrological sign of Billy Corgan?


39) What is the astrological sign of D'arcy Wretzky?


40) What is the astrological sign of James Iha?


41) At what club did Billy Corgan first meet D'arcy?


42) What Pennsylvania theme park did Smashing Pumpkins play in in 1991?


43) What is the first name of the person who introduce Billy Corgan to James Iha?


44) What is the venue of the first show the Smashing Pumpkins played in when it was just Billy
Corgan & James Iha?


45) What is the venue of the first show the Smashing Pumpkins played in when it was just Billy
Corgan, James Iha, & D'arcy Wretzky?


46) What is the venue of the first show the Smashing Pumpkins played in when it was Billy
Corgan, James Iha, D'arcy Wretzky, & Jimmy Chamberlin? HINT: Many people are getting this
wrong because they are only putting the partial name of this venue. It's 2 words, not 1.


47) What is the venue of the first show the Smashing Pumpkins played in when it was Billy
Corgan, James Iha, D'arcy Wretzky, & Matt Walker? HINT: Many people are getting this wrong
because they are only putting the partial name of this venue. It's 2 words, not 1.


48) What is the name of a venue that Smashing Pumpkins played at while touring for Mellon
Collie And The Infinite Sadness that is also the name of a song found on one of their earlier
albums?


49) In what city did Smashing Pumpkins play their first show outside of Chicago?


50) In what city did Smashing Pumpkins play their first show outside of Illinois?


51) In what city did Smashing Pumpkins play their first show outside of the USA?


52) In what city did Smashing Pumpkins play their first show outside of North America?


53) Where were Smashing Pumpkins when Jimmy Frog & Billy Corgan played Landslide
acoustic?


54) Where were Smashing Pumpkins when Billy Corgan talked about being molested by Big
Bird?


55) What name is written on the back of Billy Corgan's 666 shirt?


56) What are the names of Billy Corgan's 3 brothers?


57) What is Billy's stepmother's name?


58) Why is Billy Corgan often seen wearing long sleeve shirts?


59) What colors are Billy Corgan's house?


60) What are the names of Billy Corgan's two cats?


61) Under what name did Billy Corgan produce The Frogs new EP, Starjob?


62) What does the bumper sticker on Billy Corgan's guitar say? HINT: Watch Vieuphoria.


63) What are the first names of D'arcy's 2 sisters?


64) What is D'arcy's favorite bass?


65) What is James Iha's middle name by birth? HINT: Jonas Jaded is not his middle name *by
birth.*


66) Since what year has James had his dog, Bugg Superstar?


67) What are 7 of Jimmy Chamberlin's former bands?


68) Who took over Jimmy Chamberlin's position in Smashing Pumpkins after Jimmy was fired?


69) Who took over Jonathan Melvoin's position as the touring keyboardist after he died?


70) What is the form of heroin that Jonathan Melvoin died of?


71) Who is the only permanent member of the Starchildren?


72) What was the lineup for the Starchildren show in 1994 at the Double Doors venue?


73) What is the name of the song that was an early version of Here Is No Why which was was
performed by the Starchildren in 1994 at the Double Doors venue?


74) Who played bass for the 1990 Starchildren show at the Chicago Metro?


75) What are the first & last names of all 6 co-owners of Scratchie Records?


76) What are the names of at least 10 of the artists signed with scratchie Records?


77) What award did Smashing Pumpkins lose to Bush at the 1996 MTV Video Music Awards?


78) Who are the 2 people who have done the remixes for 1979 that are on the 1979 Mixes CD?


79) What was the working title for Mellon Collie And The Infinite Sadness?


80) What is the release date of Mellon Collie And The Infinite Sadness?


81) What are the 9 songs in The Aeroplane Flies High box set that don't have a page in the
booklet for this box set?


82) On the cover of which Smashing Pumpkins single are D'arcy's sisters?


83) What is the only official release Siamese Dream, the song, can be found on?


84) Which bootleg with the Kiss The Stone label can Billy be heard singing "we want to turn you
on" instead of "I want to turn you on" for Today? HINT: The Greatest Day is not on the Kiss The
Stone label.


85) What are 7 Smashing Pumpkins bootlegs with the Kiss The Stone label?


86) Tea Time is found on what? HINT: Not Vieuphoria


87) In what 3 countries has the single for The End Is The Beginning Is The End been made?


88) How was a release of Pisces Iscariot mis-titled which caused it to be recalled?


89) What is the ID# for the Muzzle promo?


90) What is the ID# for the Siamese Singles box set?


91) The US Release of Pisces Iscariot 12" with free 7" Single was limited to how many?


92) What 5 soundtracks have Smashing Pumpkins or members (current or former) of Smashing
Pumpkins made songs for? HINT: Earphoria & Billy, Don't Be A Hero are not valid answers.

93) Who performed a song with Smashing Pumpkins on Sweet Relief II: The Gravity Of The
Situation?


94) What are at least 3 groups Smashing Pumpkins have opened for?


95) What are at least 10 groups that have opened for Smashing Pumpkins?


96) What were the 2 rules for the on-stage 1979 dancers during the Infinite Sadness Tour?


97) What was the name the Smashing Pumpkins went under at their most recent Double Doors
show?


98) Who is the owner of Luna, the website?


99) Who is the owner of the Burlap website?


100) Who is the owner of Listessa? HINT: Not the Listessa homepage, but the actual newsletter.

 
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Old 12-27-2011, 10:12 AM   #50
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I actually don't know the answer to 50% of the "hardest SP quiz" questions
http://anon27.tripod.com/XSpaceboy1/trivia.html
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2) What are the dates of the 2 known times that Daydream has been performed live?
2007/06/05 - Gotischer Saal, Zitadelle Spandau; Berlin, DE - b-side from "That's the Way (My Love Is)" single

This guy's quiz is way too obsessive... and out of date...

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7) What are the names of all 12 songs that the Smashing Pumpkins have made a video for?
HINT: There is NOT a video for Luna; whoever posted the message to the Siamese Dreamers
mailing list saying there is a video for Luna is wrong.

Holy shit, I was on that Siamese Dreamers mailing list! It got me banned from AOL for replying to all.

 
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yeah i was on that too

 
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Old 12-27-2011, 10:31 AM   #53
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2007/06/05 - Gotischer Saal, Zitadelle Spandau; Berlin, DE - b-side from "That's the Way (My Love Is)" single

This guy's quiz is way too obsessive... and out of date...
read the thread, of course it's out of date

 
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Old 12-27-2011, 10:34 AM   #54
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read the thread, of course it's out of date
Yeah but if he wasn't in gaol, he could have gone to that 2007 show...

I wonder how he dealt with the break-up from behind bars....

 
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Old 12-27-2011, 11:05 AM   #56
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CAIC has been amazing in this thread.


I was 15 in 1997 and I'm glad there aren't any webpages I put up still around. It would have looked a lot like this kid's.

 
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If some kid licked a piece of candy in front of me, I wouldn't try to sodomize the guy, I would probably say "lol u queer" and walk away but i wouldn't try to strangle him with a cord.
You are worse than a murderer. At least the murder was put in prison for his crimes. If only we could do the same for your hate crimes.

 
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You are worse than a murderer. At least the murder was put in prison for his crimes. If only we could do the same for your hate crimes.
can't tell if sarcasm or stupidity.

Calling someone a queer isn't really a hate crime, it's context, it's how you use it, I'm not saying to the guy "YOU FUCKING FUDGEPACKER, I SCOFF AT YOU AND YOUR BROKEBACK MOUNTAIN SHIT."

 
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don't people in jail still have internet access?

maybe he lurks netphoria
maybe he posts on netphoria
maybe he's lala!

 
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Hows the music goin?
It's going, not in a band anymore but been trying to sort another one out in good ole Glasgow.

You still doing artwork for Mike Garson?

 
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