Anyone Who Cares About This Band Understands This

silverfrick · 06-20-2008, 12:53 AM

Haven't posted in months and am a little drunk, but James was and is the antithesis of Billy. So was Darc'y. That's why this band was so great. It's a repetitive point only said in so many different words. The current incarnation is Billy unleashed and uninhibited and because of this, the lack of the Pumpkins soul is so apparent. Everyone, including Zeitgeist apologists, can recognize this. Musicianship and talent included, the personalities of those collective four meant more than anything in regards to this band. The current Pumpkins isn't horrible and have produced an occasional gem (live anyway), but without someone to temper Billy, this thing will always lack full credibility. I think at some point James will resurface.

Again, I am glad we have something, but holy shit something is missing.

silverfrick · 06-20-2008, 12:56 AM

This post was inspired by listening to Porcelina during the 2nd to last show at United Center. Even a James that was uninspired was better than no James at all.

srt4b · 06-20-2008, 12:56 AM

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harrow · 06-20-2008, 01:06 AM

agreed. it was the tension that made it so great.
now SP has no edge.

done.

fluxequalsrad · 06-20-2008, 01:31 AM

you're creative up until a point, if don't have an ego your material just plain' old gets worse... if you have a giant ego your material gets worse but you think it's good because it goes down different avenues.

Wasabi · 06-20-2008, 02:08 AM

yeah it's right there.
no ... over by that

davin · 06-20-2008, 02:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by silverfrick

Haven't posted in months and am a little drunk, but James was and is the antithesis of Billy. So was Darc'y. That's why this band was so great. It's a repetitive point only said in so many different words. The current incarnation is Billy unleashed and uninhibited and because of this, the lack of the Pumpkins soul is so apparent. Everyone, including Zeitgeist apologists, can recognize this. Musicianship and talent included, the personalities of those collective four meant more than anything in regards to this band. The current Pumpkins isn't horrible and have produced an occasional gem (live anyway), but without someone to temper Billy, this thing will always lack full credibility. I think at some point James will resurface.

Again, I am glad we have something, but holy shit something is missing.

i appreciate what you are trying to say, and i'm glad you had a good night. but for the record...THE MUSIC is way more important to me than any of this "collective personalities" stuff you are talking about.

i think jimmy and billy compliment eachother well, though jimmy does seem to be more agreeable to billy's ideas than say, darcy ever was. still, despite their influences on billy, i think the best work being with james & darcy might be a little more circumstantial than most people are willing to admit. it was the right time for them from gish thru tafh....and nothing could have changed that, nor should their success be attributed to any specific thing. it was just the right rock n roll moment. with the grunge movement happeneing, what was going on in chicago, etc. And billy and jimmy still carried the band back then too.

davin · 06-20-2008, 02:26 AM

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Nightscream · 06-20-2008, 05:46 AM

I'm going to reserve judgement until I hear the next single/album - that way everyone will be able to judge SP2 on a more even playing field, since there'll be more than just 1 LP and EP to compare.

aztec litany service · 06-20-2008, 06:02 AM

yeah, i still hope for james to come back.

SlingeroGuitaro · 06-20-2008, 07:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aztec litany service

yeah, i still hope for james to come back.

I don't think he's coming back

topleybird · 06-20-2008, 09:17 AM

You can't have two different things both be the antithesis of a third thing. That shit is a no-go, dude.

lucid_interval · 06-20-2008, 10:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pizza Club

tl,dr

but if this thread is what i think it's about then yes, i love pizza.

as long as its got sweetcorn on it, im there.

Gish08 · 06-20-2008, 04:08 PM

OP: To an extent, maybe. But really I think it has to do with Billy's profound change in his outlook on life and what he believes in. The Billy Corgan of 2008 is very different than the Billy Corgan of 1993 or even 1998. James has also grown pretty careless when it comes to SP since about 1998 or so. I don't think your theory holds much weight today. In the mid 90's, if James got kicked out, quit, whatever -- it would have.

aztec litany service · 06-20-2008, 05:30 PM

at least james could put another record out

muzzled4life · 06-20-2008, 08:50 PM

and birds go tweet....but yea, I know what you mean...half drunk too.

slunken · 02-12-2012, 11:37 PM

fuzzyroes · 02-13-2012, 05:44 AM

I gotta agree. I cant imagine James and Darcy willingly playing stuff like widow wake my mind and what not... Having those critical opinions in the band drove Billy to greater heights.

great poster · 02-13-2012, 06:08 AM

http://s13.postimage.org/n892s7552/b...93_and_now.jpg

i've drawn a picture in MSpaint on the matter. yes i know i can't draw for shit on laptop trackpads.

great poster · 02-13-2012, 06:10 AM

goddamit i forgot b0lly's ears in the present panel.

MyOneAndOnly · 02-13-2012, 07:38 AM

you would have to be really fucked up to think that James would "come back" to billy

The Melty Man · 02-13-2012, 08:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by silverfrick

This post was inspired by listening to Porcelina during the 2nd to last show at United Center. Even a James that was uninspired was better than no James at all.

That song is pretty bloody good, I've got to admit.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gish08

OP: To an extent, maybe. But really I think it has to do with Billy's profound change in his outlook on life and what he believes in. The Billy Corgan of 2008 is very different than the Billy Corgan of 1993 or even 1998. James has also grown pretty careless when it comes to SP since about 1998 or so. I don't think your theory holds much weight today. In the mid 90's, if James got kicked out, quit, whatever -- it would have.

We all lose the plot, sooner or later. There is a good case to be made for Billy quietly touring with the old material, instead of going out with this whacked Teargarden concept-less album that isn't an album but is.

lala · 02-13-2012, 08:07 AM

this thread is bullshit.

smashingjj · 02-13-2012, 10:36 AM

Darc'y

morespsoon · 02-13-2012, 11:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by harrow

agreed. it was the tension that made it so great.
now SP has no edge.

done.

The Future Embrace is a great album produced with no tension so I don't agree that it's necessary.

Rider · 02-13-2012, 11:14 AM

Umm why are you people responding to people who stopped posting on this board 4 years ago?

Skradgee · 02-13-2012, 11:17 AM

Rewind.

DiscoJon · 02-13-2012, 11:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skradgee

Rewind.

and Revive.

slunken · 02-13-2012, 05:27 PM

http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/k...008_015107.jpg

Lt_Beans_McGood · 02-13-2012, 08:27 PM

Chin up, ace - God's love runs through everybody who lets it

06-20-2008, 12:53 AM	#1
silverfrick Demi-God Location: Northern VA Posts: 378	Anyone Who Cares About This Band Understands This Haven't posted in months and am a little drunk, but James was and is the antithesis of Billy. So was Darc'y. That's why this band was so great. It's a repetitive point only said in so many different words. The current incarnation is Billy unleashed and uninhibited and because of this, the lack of the Pumpkins soul is so apparent. Everyone, including Zeitgeist apologists, can recognize this. Musicianship and talent included, the personalities of those collective four meant more than anything in regards to this band. The current Pumpkins isn't horrible and have produced an occasional gem (live anyway), but without someone to temper Billy, this thing will always lack full credibility. I think at some point James will resurface. Again, I am glad we have something, but holy shit something is missing.

06-20-2008, 06:02 AM	#10
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06-20-2008, 12:56 AM	#2
silverfrick Demi-God Location: Northern VA Posts: 378	This post was inspired by listening to Porcelina during the 2nd to last show at United Center. Even a James that was uninspired was better than no James at all.

06-20-2008, 12:56 AM	#3
srt4b Apocalyptic Poster Posts: 1,055	zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

06-20-2008, 01:06 AM	#4
harrow Demi-God Posts: 371	agreed. it was the tension that made it so great. now SP has no edge. done.

06-20-2008, 01:31 AM	#5
fluxequalsrad Apocalyptic Poster Posts: 4,275	you're creative up until a point, if don't have an ego your material just plain' old gets worse... if you have a giant ego your material gets worse but you think it's good because it goes down different avenues.

06-20-2008, 02:08 AM	#6
Wasabi Ownz Posts: 880	yeah it's right there. no ... over by that

06-20-2008, 02:26 AM	#8
davin Physiopathic Paralysis Location: Carcosa Posts: 10,701	all work and no play makes jack a dull boy. all work and no play makes jack a dull boy. all work and no play makes jack a dull boy. all work and no play makes jack a dull boy. all work and no play makes jack a dull boy. all work and no play makes jack a dull boy. all work and no play makes jack a dull boy. all work and no play makes jack a dull boy. all work and no play makes jack a dull boy. all work and no play makes jack a dull boy. all work and no play makes jack a dull boy. all work and no play makes jack a dull boy. all work and no play makes jack a dull boy. all work and no play makes jack a dull boy. all work and no play makes jack a dull boy. all work and no play makes jack a dull boy. all work and no play makes jack a dull boy. all work and no play makes jack a dull boy. all work and no play makes jack a dull boy.

06-20-2008, 05:46 AM	#9
Nightscream Amish Rake Fighter Posts: 10	I'm going to reserve judgement until I hear the next single/album - that way everyone will be able to judge SP2 on a more even playing field, since there'll be more than just 1 LP and EP to compare.

06-20-2008, 09:17 AM	#12
topleybird Janis Jopleybird Location: Let me see you do the booty hop. And now make the booty stop. Now drop, and do the booty wop. Posts: 6,347	You can't have two different things both be the antithesis of a third thing. That shit is a no-go, dude.

06-20-2008, 04:08 PM	#14
Gish08 Apocalyptic Poster Posts: 2,559	OP: To an extent, maybe. But really I think it has to do with Billy's profound change in his outlook on life and what he believes in. The Billy Corgan of 2008 is very different than the Billy Corgan of 1993 or even 1998. James has also grown pretty careless when it comes to SP since about 1998 or so. I don't think your theory holds much weight today. In the mid 90's, if James got kicked out, quit, whatever -- it would have.

06-20-2008, 05:30 PM	#15
aztec litany service Apocalyptic Poster Location: cedar park, tx Posts: 1,535	at least james could put another record out

06-20-2008, 08:50 PM	#16
muzzled4life Demi-God Location: D.C./Maryland Posts: 255	and birds go tweet....but yea, I know what you mean...half drunk too.

02-13-2012, 05:44 AM	#18
fuzzyroes Banned Posts: 21,169	I gotta agree. I cant imagine James and Darcy willingly playing stuff like widow wake my mind and what not... Having those critical opinions in the band drove Billy to greater heights.

02-13-2012, 06:08 AM	#19
great poster Apocalyptic Poster Posts: 1,585	http://s13.postimage.org/n892s7552/b...93_and_now.jpg i've drawn a picture in MSpaint on the matter. yes i know i can't draw for shit on laptop trackpads.

02-13-2012, 06:10 AM	#20
great poster Apocalyptic Poster Posts: 1,585	goddamit i forgot b0lly's ears in the present panel.

02-13-2012, 07:38 AM	#21
MyOneAndOnly Shut the fuck up! Location: "Okay, white power feminist" - yo soy el mejor Posts: 23,307	you would have to be really fucked up to think that James would "come back" to billy

02-13-2012, 08:07 AM	#23
lala Banned Location: SPoceania Posts: 915	this thread is bullshit.

02-13-2012, 10:36 AM	#24
smashingjj the actual guy Location: if Monsanto and Purdue Pharma had a baby Posts: 36,629	Darc'y

02-13-2012, 11:14 AM	#26
Rider Minion of Satan Location: I was born a snake handler, and I'll die a snake handler Posts: 9,517	Umm why are you people responding to people who stopped posting on this board 4 years ago?

02-13-2012, 11:17 AM	#27
Skradgee Boardcaster Location: reporting live Posts: 3,824	Rewind.

02-13-2012, 05:27 PM	#29
slunken Virgo Posts: 42,460	http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/k...008_015107.jpg

02-13-2012, 08:27 PM	#30
Lt_Beans_McGood Banned Posts: 144	Chin up, ace - God's love runs through everybody who lets it