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Old 12-07-2006, 11:58 PM   #31
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so what? the dems in control of the congress can encourage it.

i don't think america wants nationalized heath care. I'm not a pollster but it never seems to be an issue with anyone other than democratic demogouges.
I'm paying enough for my own healthcare now. A nationalized plan would mean that now I'm also paying for everyone else and my quality of care would go into the toilet

 
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Old 12-08-2006, 12:00 AM   #32
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If he wants to win the Repub nomination, that is what he has to do. After the primaries (if he actually runs and if he actually wins), he'll move back to the middle so he can win the general. It's just the way the game is played.
Of course. This guy probably only remembers Bush and a little bit on Clinton though so we can't exactly expect him to understand the political system

 
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Old 12-08-2006, 12:00 AM   #33
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Well yeah, I'd agree that Dems need to stop being so aggressive when it comes to things like gay marriage. It's not worth fighting for in this country. Sad but true. And it puts a big target on them. They need to save that energy for stuff like abortion, which is actually worth getting down in the mud and fighting with the other side about.
Yes, I'm waiting for the Democrats to start trying to legalize abortion

 
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Old 12-08-2006, 12:01 AM   #34
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BlueStar - you say "if" - but don't Republicans traditionally go with the establishment candidate though? It really seems like McCain is going to emerge as just that. Support is increasing.

Also, I realize there's a game to be played, believe me I do. But when McCain changed his mind about how to deal with tax breaks, for example, I don't really think he was playing a game. More like showing his true colors because the political environment at the time made it easier for him to do so. I'd love to think all of the crazy stuff he's done is just part of the game, but I honestly don't trust him.

 
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Old 12-08-2006, 12:05 AM   #35
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BlueStar - you say "if" - but don't Republicans traditionally go with the establishment candidate though? It really seems like McCain is going to emerge as just that. Support is increasing.

Also, I realize there's a game to be played, believe me I do. But when McCain changed his mind about how to deal with tax breaks, for example, I don't really think he was playing a game. More like showing his true colors because the political environment at the time made it easier for him to do so. I'd love to think all of the crazy stuff he's done is just part of the game, but I honestly don't trust him.
There's a politican you DO trust?

 
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Old 12-08-2006, 12:17 AM   #36
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I liked McCain til he did, well, everything that Effloresce listed. He at least seemed honest.
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Old 12-08-2006, 12:19 AM   #37
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Indeed. But that would still be really absurd imo. Talk about a major step backwards. If a woman wants to get an abortion she shouldn't have to go on a fucking road trip to get it done, I mean what the hell is that?
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Old 12-08-2006, 12:19 AM   #38
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Old 12-08-2006, 12:20 AM   #39
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I'm voting for Vince Young in 2028.

 
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Old 12-08-2006, 12:28 AM   #40
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Yeah, I can't see how I'm trying to be "ahead of the curve" here. Rather just pointing out various flaws in McCain's "straight talk" bullshit, and questioning his motives.
Here's some news for you: John McCain ran for president in 2000, and he didn't win. And despite what people seem to think, its not because Karl Rove was pulling off dirty tricks and spreading rumors about McCain having a black baby or whatever it was. Its because republicans saw the various flaws in his "straight talk" bullshit and questioned his motives. Meanwhile, most Democrats have been sucking the guy's dick for 6 years talking about how McCain's such a moderate republican voice and how great it'd be if he'd run. Most people could have told you back in 2000 that McCain was a opportunistic hack. It shouldn't be news now.

 
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Old 12-08-2006, 12:31 AM   #41
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BlueStar - you say "if" - but don't Republicans traditionally go with the establishment candidate though? It really seems like McCain is going to emerge as just that. Support is increasing.
It's still too early to say which Repub will be the establishment candidate. At this point in time, the only other Repubs to throw their hats in the ring are Hunter, Romney, and Huckabee. So much still remains to be seen. But yeah, McCain is certainly making all the right moves to set himself up as the establishment candidate.

 
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Old 12-08-2006, 12:34 AM   #42
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Here's some news for you: John McCain ran for president in 2000, and he didn't win. And despite what people seem to think, its not because Karl Rove was pulling off dirty tricks and spreading rumors about McCain having a black baby or whatever it was. Its because republicans saw the various flaws in his "straight talk" bullshit and questioned his motives.
no, it's because the "base" religious right saw mccain as too much of a moderate on their hardline issues and saw Bush as "one of t****

 
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Old 12-08-2006, 12:39 AM   #43
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So is Huckabee going to run on the slogan I Heart Huckabee?

 
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Old 12-08-2006, 12:40 AM   #44
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no, it's because the "base" religious right saw mccain as too much of a moderate on their hardline issues and saw Bush as "one of t****
That's probably true as well. But I still think distrust of McCain ran more broadly than that. I'm far from being a member of the religious right, and I've never liked the guy.

 
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Old 12-08-2006, 12:47 AM   #45
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abortion should not be illegal
when you make it illegal you have back alley abortions, homicide, and deprived children who would be better off if they werent born at all
it creates more crime
if its against your religious beliefs dont have an abortion
and yes people who come from very poor families, or teenage pregnancy sometimes become movie stars or millionaires BUT this is a very rare occasion, so rare that if you didnt watch television you would never think it possible

 
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Old 12-08-2006, 12:48 AM   #46
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just thought i would add that

 
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Old 12-08-2006, 09:46 AM   #47
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murder should not be illegal
when you make it illegal you have back alley murders, illegal murders, and deprived people who would be better off if they werent born at all
it creates more crime
if its against your religious beliefs dont murder someone
and yes people who come from very poor families, or teenage pregnancy sometimes become movie stars or millionaires BUT this is a very rare occasion, so rare that if you didnt watch television you would never think it possible
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This should be interesting...

 
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Old 12-08-2006, 02:19 PM   #48
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yeah about as interesting as the same old shit is over and over again

 
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Old 12-08-2006, 02:27 PM   #49
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right, but I was thinking she would come back and explode all over the board about it.

 
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Old 12-08-2006, 02:29 PM   #50
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i don't know i think you should leave he/she alone. she/he is my little proto-commie friend.

He/She reminds me a bit of myself when I was that age.

 
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Old 12-08-2006, 02:37 PM   #51
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Cool. I want a protege.

 
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