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Old 08-10-2022, 04:05 PM   #541
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It’s better than Gish. MCIS is objectively better but I’m not 17 or an incel so it’s not a particularly enjoyable listen. Adore’s kinda boring? Maybe I got burnt out on these albums but I’m way more likely to listen to Zeitgeist or Cyr. SD and Machina are still brilliant.

 
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Old 08-10-2022, 04:29 PM   #542
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MCIS is objectively better but Iím not 17 or an incel so itís not a particularly enjoyable listen.
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Old 08-10-2022, 05:20 PM   #543
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yeah, that's a pretty cool take guys. imagine listening to anything not arbitrarily "adult" just because we are technically grown up now. if anyone needs me i'll be in my foyer listening to the latest Coldplay, sipping a cup of very black coffee thank you very much

 
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Old 08-10-2022, 05:33 PM   #544
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Iím a Zeitgeist Truther. Itís good! I will listen to it over Gish, MCIS or Adore!
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Maybe I got burnt out on these albums but Iím way more likely to listen to Zeitgeist or Cyr.

 
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Old 08-10-2022, 06:09 PM   #545
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Old 08-10-2022, 07:23 PM   #546
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MCIS is objectively better but Iím not 17 or an incel so itís not a particularly enjoyable listen.
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Old 08-10-2022, 07:44 PM   #547
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It’s better than Gish. MCIS is objectively better but I’m not 17 or an incel so it’s not a particularly enjoyable listen. Adore’s kinda boring? Maybe I got burnt out on these albums but I’m way more likely to listen to Zeitgeist or Cyr. SD and Machina are still brilliant.
How fucking big of a dork do you have to be to think you can’t enjoy music past a certain age? Go listen to fucking Bach hymnals if you want “mature” music, gramps

 
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Old 08-11-2022, 01:46 AM   #548
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I don’t think I can’t enjoy it. I literally do not enjoy it.

 
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Old 08-11-2022, 05:30 AM   #549
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In my opinion, 15 years later, Zeitgeist is not as bad as what those who didn't like the record at the time of its release thought, but worse than what those who did. It obviously has some issues.

Besides, Billy and Jimmy were very naive to think that an album line Zeitgeist would be enough to meet the expectations of a comeback without two of their original members. Zeitgeist was not only compared to SD or MCIS, but to the whole catalogue.

I think it was Rick Rubin that said "so many bands or there trying to sound like the Smashing Pumpkins, and you're trying hard not to". That's probably why they didn't ******* sings like Stellar or Ma Belle, or even Strength in Numbers


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Old 08-11-2022, 05:31 AM   #550
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I donít think I canít enjoy it. I literally do not enjoy it.
Had almost the exact opposite relationship with gravy. Couldnít get with it when I was a kid. Something about the brown sludge didnít appeal to me. My mum used to drink gravy from the pitcher - thought she belonged on a psych ward. Obviously thatís where she went in the end, but not before I managed to get a taste for good olí Lumpy Gravy. I think gravy is real yum now.

 
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Old 08-11-2022, 05:38 AM   #551
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I very rarely reach for MCIS for a listen, it never occurs to me to go put it on. Not like with SD, Gish, or even Adore. Hell I'd be more inclined these days to listen to a bit of Oceania. About 50% of MCIS I'm not bothered with (read: the screechy ones).

I'm aware the other 50% is top tier SP though.

Gish has a certain naive charm to it, like this kind of music was brand new or at least this was a new approach to it - not quite metal, not quite rock, not quite psychedelia. Made by not quite rock stars. Plus the song writing and singing is A1 sharon.

 
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Old 08-11-2022, 05:39 AM   #552
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But also, where's the album?

We are fairly sure "Beguiled" is the first single. Perhaps it was due for a summer release but the whole thing got delayed.

 
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Old 08-11-2022, 07:58 AM   #553
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I very rarely reach for MCIS for a listen, it never occurs to me to go put it on. Not like with SD, Gish, or even Adore. Hell I'd be more inclined these days to listen to a bit of Oceania. About 50% of MCIS I'm not bothered with (read: the screechy ones).

I'm aware the other 50% is top tier SP though.

Gish has a certain naive charm to it, like this kind of music was brand new or at least this was a new approach to it - not quite metal, not quite rock, not quite psychedelia. Made by not quite rock stars. Plus the song writing and singing is A1 sharon.
I love asking people which ones they think are the bad ones and wait to see other people reacting like "you crazy!? So and so are the best songs on album".

 
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Old 08-11-2022, 08:00 AM   #554
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Jesus Christ imagine posting on netphoria whilst not enjoying MCIS ????? Seems like delusional behavior to me… it is an objectively amazing record go listen to it instead of making another post

 
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Old 08-11-2022, 09:07 AM   #555
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Jesus Christ imagine posting on netphoria whilst not enjoying MCIS ????? Seems like delusional behavior to meÖ it is an objectively amazing record go listen to it instead of making another post
I never said I didn't enjoy it. I bought it in 1995 when it came out and thought it was an amazing piece of work, and it soundtracked my year after that. It was peak-Pumpkins. And I almost felt justified, being a hardcore fan since 1992, that one of "my" bands had become massively popular.

However once time had past and objectivity came into play, there's other areas of SP I prefer to delve into now. The joys of Adore have really come to light more recently, and I'm still finding odd little corners in that record. The non-Pisces b-sides and unreleased tracks. My own Machina 1 & 2 compilation. One offs like TEITBITE, or some of the Fillmore residency tracks. Bits of Oceania.

Maybe it's because MCIS was so ubiquitous, and because I listened to it so much, and everybody else I knew did, that now I go for things that can still surprise me. When I listen now to the likes of Hummer, or the outro of Soma, or the quiet part of Geek USA, I'm still amazed at the music and how they / he managed to create it. And the beauty of Gish is still as apparent as it was when I first heard it.

Much of MCIS is straight full-on "rock", and things like XYU / Ode To No One / Scorched Earth / Zero don't do it for me. On the flip side, Porcelina / Muzzle / Galapagos / Ruby / Cupid / Take Me Down / Farewell / Beautiful / and loads of Aeroplane are still top tier and where I would go to first.

Anyway, where's the album?

 
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Old 08-11-2022, 10:22 AM   #556
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Much of MCIS is straight full-on "rock", and things like XYU / Ode To No One / Scorched Earth / Zero don't do it for me. On the flip side, Porcelina / Muzzle / Galapagos / Ruby / Cupid / Take Me Down / Farewell / Beautiful / and loads of Aeroplane are still top tier and where I would go to first.
Ok yes I very much agree with this, almost to a tee except zero is really really based and muzzle is the worst track on the album

I also agree with you that adore is superior

 
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Old 08-11-2022, 10:27 AM   #557
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Anyone who complains about production on MCIS is a weird nerd, that album is glorious.
The production on MCIS is actually p bad
Album slaps tho

 
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Old 08-11-2022, 11:47 AM   #558
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slaps is the dumbest word ever.. except for the word Cyr

 
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Old 08-11-2022, 11:57 AM   #559
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oof... a lot to unpack there

really just a bit problematic if you ask me. but it's all good, i like your vibes

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Old 08-11-2022, 12:05 PM   #560
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I never said I didn't enjoy it. I bought it in 1995 when it came out and thought it was an amazing piece of work, and it soundtracked my year after that. It was peak-Pumpkins. And I almost felt justified, being a hardcore fan since 1992, that one of "my" bands had become massively popular.

However once time had past and objectivity came into play, there's other areas of SP I prefer to delve into now. The joys of Adore have really come to light more recently, and I'm still finding odd little corners in that record. The non-Pisces b-sides and unreleased tracks. My own Machina 1 & 2 compilation. One offs like TEITBITE, or some of the Fillmore residency tracks. Bits of Oceania.

Maybe it's because MCIS was so ubiquitous, and because I listened to it so much, and everybody else I knew did, that now I go for things that can still surprise me. When I listen now to the likes of Hummer, or the outro of Soma, or the quiet part of Geek USA, I'm still amazed at the music and how they / he managed to create it. And the beauty of Gish is still as apparent as it was when I first heard it.

Much of MCIS is straight full-on "rock", and things like XYU / Ode To No One / Scorched Earth / Zero don't do it for me. On the flip side, Porcelina / Muzzle / Galapagos / Ruby / Cupid / Take Me Down / Farewell / Beautiful / and loads of Aeroplane are still top tier and where I would go to first.

Anyway, where's the album?
You crazy, XYU and An Ode To No One are the best songs on the album.

 
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Old 08-11-2022, 12:20 PM   #561
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You crazy, XYU and An Ode To No One are the best songs on the album.
How anyone could call those 'straight full-on "rock"' is so odd to me. They're more performance art pieces that uses and subverts "rock" to create a feeling of descending into a kind of aggressive insanity.

But whatever, everyone's experience is different I guess...

 
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Old 08-11-2022, 12:32 PM   #562
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But also, where's the album?

We are fairly sure "Beguiled" is the first single. Perhaps it was due for a summer release but the whole thing got delayed.
Itís taking a while to decide on the colours and colour names for all 17 vinyl variants

 
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Old 08-11-2022, 02:56 PM   #563
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How anyone could call those 'straight full-on "rock"' is so odd to me. They're more performance art pieces that uses and subverts "rock" to create a feeling of descending into a kind of aggressive insanity.

But whatever, everyone's experience is different I guess...
That you, Billy?

 
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Old 08-11-2022, 02:58 PM   #564
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You crazy, XYU and An Ode To No One are the best songs on the album.
That may be so, but in terms of things I want to listen to in 2022, those aren't the songs.

For me the production and sound of SD is the thing that's "subverting rock".

But anyway, where's the album?

 
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Old 08-11-2022, 04:28 PM   #565
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I don't know, but Ma Belle is a very, very good song.

 
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Old 08-11-2022, 04:31 PM   #566
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As is the song Zeitgeist - almost, almost welling up listening to this right now.

What's the albums?

 
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Old 08-11-2022, 04:36 PM   #567
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I also think I'm one of the only people in the world that loves "Pomp & Circumstances."

 
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Old 08-11-2022, 06:59 PM   #569
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jimbo looking great

did he get hair plugs?

 
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Old 08-11-2022, 07:00 PM   #570
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Sounds like a sexual innuendo, if you ask me

 
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