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Old 04-08-2014, 04:14 AM   #31
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I never disliked the 'wall of sound' production of MACHINA as many others do, but it would have been pretty sweet to have a record with a clearer Jimmy in the mix.

 
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Old 04-08-2014, 04:36 AM   #32
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I never disliked the 'wall of sound' production of MACHINA as many others do, but it would have been pretty sweet to have a record with a clearer Jimmy in the mix.
There's of course the overall mix but one big issue is the poor dynamic range.
Poor dynamic range >>> less punch of the drums.

DR6 -0.01 dB -7.35 dB 4:01 01-The Everlasting Gaze
DR7 -0.01 dB -7.43 dB 4:40 02-Raindrops + Sunshowers
DR6 -0.01 dB -7.13 dB 4:14 03-Stand Inside Your Love
DR6 -0.01 dB -7.49 dB 4:37 04-I Of The Mourning
DR7 -0.01 dB -7.61 dB 4:22 05-The Sacred And Profane
DR7 -0.01 dB -8.17 dB 5:09 06-Try, Try, Try
DR7 -0.01 dB -7.41 dB 5:53 07-Heavy Metal Machine
DR7 -0.01 dB -7.61 dB 4:44 08-This Time
DR6 -0.01 dB -6.60 dB 4:25 09-The Imploding Voice
DR6 -0.01 dB -9.41 dB 9:56 10-Glass And The Ghost Children
DR6 -0.01 dB -6.66 dB 3:59 11-Wound

DR8 -0.01 dB -8.84 dB 3:44 12-The Crying Tree Of Mercury
DR9 -0.01 dB -10.35 dB 3:56 13-With Every Light
DR9 -0.01 dB -10.69 dB 5:46 14-Blue Skies Bring Tears
DR6 -0.01 dB -8.89 dB 3:55 15-Age Of Innocence
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Number of tracks: 15
Official DR value: DR7

 
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Old 04-08-2014, 07:08 AM   #33
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i remember enjoying the premasters of Machina. Does anybody have those? upload?

 
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Old 04-08-2014, 07:32 AM   #34
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I've got it, but there may still be a working link on the trade board somewhere. upload on the way.

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Old 04-08-2014, 09:58 AM   #36
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i love that this is a related video

holy crap that was horrible

 
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Old 04-08-2014, 10:56 AM   #37
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They play circles around SP's Pulse Show performance. Even Jimmy plays better there than what he did with SP on the show.

 
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Old 04-08-2014, 01:14 PM   #38
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Is Machina premaster the same as the Machina promo (with a different introduction to The Sacred and the Profane?)?

 
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Old 04-08-2014, 05:16 PM   #39
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The songs themselves were undoubtedly better, but I was talking about the level of performance. I think Jimmy's playing on Secret Life is more interesting as it's obviously his style of music and he can play more comfortably. The earliest SP songs tended to have him plod on and not play to his fullest potential, probably because they were still getting to know each other and didn't have as much creative input to his new band.

I'd still rather listen to Pre-Gish SP.

 
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Old 04-08-2014, 05:27 PM   #40
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Is Machina premaster the same as the Machina promo (with a different introduction to The Sacred and the Profane?)?
I'm not entirely sure. TS+P does have a different intro, and Age of Innocence is an alternate mix. The premaster is from a promo CD, but I don't know if it is the one and same thing as what is known as the "Machina Promo", or if it's the same audio, or if they're different altogether.

 
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Old 04-08-2014, 06:46 PM   #41
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Isn't it all on the Greatest Hits DVD?
Yup - not all of the videos have it, but a good chunk of them do. The way that menu works on that DVD really is cool, haven't seen one like it elsewhere: pick either track audio or commentary along with either the video itself or outtakes is pretty rad.

 
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Old 04-09-2014, 10:17 AM   #42
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There's another Tonight,Tonight version that isn't just commentary/making-of. It wasn't different enough for me to remember what was different specifically but I know I've seen it and have it at home.

 
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Old 04-09-2014, 01:27 PM   #43
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I love your username and avitar...home movies brotha!

 
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Old 04-09-2014, 01:47 PM   #44
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do any other videos have 'outtake' versions?
yes, a lot of them do. for example, here's rhinoceros: http://vimeo.com/58303291
you can find the other ones on that same channel too.

 
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