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![]() Black Hawk Shit. It was a degraded Saving Private Ryan, which wasn't that good either. Good action, but craptacular dialogue, cheesy acting, and missing pictures, made this movie an average blockbuster - it should've been released in the summer. Black Hawk Down is the third movie I've seen lately that is getting Oscar buzz - the third that I've thought were mediocre at best (the other two being Mullholland Drive and A Beautiful Mind). Having seen Amelie, The Royal Tenenbaums, and Vanilla Sky recently also, the absurdity is becoming almost overwhelming. The Man Who Wasn't There is next on the list, but if that's a disappointment, I'll have to take out a box office clerk with a 32 oz., 5 lb. Coke to relieve my frustration...
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![]() my only grip is that it was historicly inaccurate. In reality they were rescued by air force paratroopers. Decent flick but not great
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I'd say watch it. It's not gonna be on your top 10 list but it's a decent movie. ------------------ http://www.slamomaha.com/profiles/images/7194.jpg NSMM |
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That other movie though, behind enemy lines, it look soooo bad from what I've seen on the trailers. Too Gung-ho, especially with Gene Hackman |
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![]() I thought it was a good movie *shrug*.
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![]() you can't go wrong with "The Man Who Wasn't There". it's awesome...
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![]() I have not seen this movie so can't judge on the propaganda label, but the rest is good to take into consideration if you are going to have opinions that involve the worth of someone's life. I'll post the rest up somewhere else for people who actually read things that are longer than a paragraph.
This movie is a blatantly racist attempt to create support among the U.S. public for a new war against Somalia. According to the Bush Administration, Somalia is at the top of the Pentagon's list of countries to be the next major target of the so-called "war against terrorism." In his review of "Black Hawk Down," New York Times movie reviewer Elvis Mitchell wrote that the movie "converts the Somalis into a pack of snarling dark-skinned beasts . it reeks of glumly staged racism." What actually happened in Somalia in 1992-93? On December 12, 1992, the U.S. sent 28,000 soldiers into Somalia under the cover of the United Nations Operation in Somalia (UNOSOM) in what they said was a "humanitarian mission" to bring food to starving people. The invasion came when a several-year drought that had taken tens of thousands of lives was actually abating. At the time, the evening news showed images of thousands of starving Somalis. What people didn't see was U.S. troops - not delivering food - but instead engaged in daily gun battles and bombing raids in heavily populated neighborhoods. In ten months, more than 10,000 Somalis died as the U.S. engaged in aggressive military action against those who resisted. Resistance among Somali women, men and even children to the foreign troops became widespread. The Somali people have a long and proud history of resistance. They fought for the freedom of their country from Italian, French and British colonialism - and they resisted the U.S. attempts to recolonize their country. In the beginning of the military intervention in 1992, Colin Powell, at the time the chairman of the Pentagon's Join Chiefs of Staff, called the invasion a "paid political advertisement" for the Pentagon at a time (less than a year after the end of the so-called Cold War) when Congress was under growing pressure to cut the war budget. Powell opposed calls that that money be used instead for jobs, education, health care, housing and other social needs, and instead sought to maintain the $300-billion-plus military budget. In reporting on the U.S./UN Operation in Somalia (UNOSOM), the human rights organization Africa Rights stated that troops "have engaged in abuses of human rights, including killing of civilians, physical abuse, theft . Many UNOSOM soldiers have also displayed unacceptable levels of racism toward Somalis ." These abuses included opening fire with machine guns against unarmed protesters, firing missiles into residential areas and outright murder [of] civilians, including many youth. The report states "UNOSOM has become an army of occupation." ------------------ http://www.davidbowie.com/users/unless/U_nless.jpg |
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I saw it a few weeks ago and its effect is still re-occuring to me. Tom Wilkinson gives the best performance of this year and as good as any other year. |
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![]() The way I see it, 19 American heroes died as just that, heroes. 10,000 Somali militia, who I will reiterate were killing their *own* people by starving them, died as savage cowards. I am not ignorant enough to believe that innocents didn't die as well. It is more than unfortunate that innocent civilians died. But I don't believe that this movie is racist because it doesn't show the side of the Somali militia. You have to remember, this isn't a fictitious story. It truly happened and the book was written from interviuews from equal amounts of Americans and Somalis. Yes that's correct, both points of view are portrayed in the book. Even with both points of view, I can objectively say that the Somali militia men were savages who prayed on their own to further their "cause".
You call me self-righteous which is defined as "narrow mindedly moralistic." And yes, I may be moralistic, but by no means am I narrow minded. I lived through the events and I read the book and I understand the point of view of both sides. That said, I firmly believe in the American involvement in Somalia. If this was an argument about Iraq, where even I would concur that a good part of the American involvement had to do with oil interests, than I wouldn't be so steadfast in my position (though I would have gladly fought for my country if asked to do so or if the need arose). But Somalia is a poretty clear cut example of the need for American intervention. Yes, it was a civil war. Yes it didn't directly affect our country or our citizens. But it did challenge the human rights of the innocent civilians of Somalia. And we couldn't sit back and watch Europe circa 1940's happen all over again. I again refer back to calling you a moron (which I stand by). I believe you are educated and present your opinion intelligently. But I also believe that you are severly misguided and misinformed about the events in Somalia. This was proven to me when you thought it important to post such refuse as the article from the NYT. I find it absolutely ludicrous that an educated person, such as Mr. Mitchell, would actually believe in the "the U.S. attempts to recolonize their country." Where is his info? What would ever indicate any kind of attempt to recolonize Somalia by America? It is this kind of misinformed, idiotic, and plain out moronic statement by which I base my opinion of calling you and the reviwer a moron. Him for writing it, you for endorsing it. [This message has been edited by Jaggie (edited 01-25-2002).] |
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![]() i cut/paste the article, that included one quote by Mitchell. He didn't write the article, all though that isn't clear by the way I cut and paste it I'll admit. It's actually funny enough from the Society of Philosophical Study of Marxism. So the only thing we can really assume about Mitchell's point of view was that he thought the Somalian's were visually portrayed in film inaccurately. I admitted that I can't say that since I have not seen it. I posted a quote that I said I could not agree with. At least this moron never posted an opinion based on something she claimed to know and didn't. I'll see the film, I'll at least have an opinion on the portrayal of Scott's generalizations. I like alot of movies based on very serious situations that are not historically accurate so I'm not anal about it either. Most movies based on books are just that, based. I might see it and like the film and still agree with the quote. We will see. but good grief, have a nice day.
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But all in all, there's nothing much there. Great visuals, as expected from Scott (and Brukheimer (sp? whatever his fucking name)), but empty on many levels. P.S. Are you working on a new film, buddy? [This message has been edited by THE MACHINA666 (edited 01-25-2002).] |
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![]() Oh, and I'm not even going to read the two arguments developing here, but I will say that the whole 'it's a racist' film angle is tired and obvious criticism of the kind that plagued Heart of Darkness years after Conrad wrote it. The nature of the narrative does not inherently ******* the characterization or plight of the opposition because its perspective is one and the same throughout, namely Marlow's (or in the case of BHD, the American soldiers). It's unfortunate, but it's the specifics of war situations that you don't care to characterize or understand the person who is shooting the bullets wizzing by your head. And the perspective of the American soldiers is the one the film is about, so all that quasi-intelligent criticism about the film being 'racist' is irrelevant.
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![]() Well when I went to see this movie I had a choice of seeing either Black Hawk Down or Snow Dogs, obviously I picked Black Hawk Down.
I walked into the movie with extremely low expectations thinking it would probably be a horribly bad U.S. propaganda film(which is was to some degree). However over all I thought it was a pretty good movie, I think I actually enjoyed it more than Saving Private Ryan. 3 stars maybe........... |
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