New song Nov 29th - Avalanche - Page 2

VoxUpDoc · 11-29-2022, 06:24 AM

Agree with eviltimeban, except to say the drumming is appalling, and everything else sounds horrible… HORRIBLE. The vox, synths, drums, the way the music stops and starts so he can switch out instruments. It’s incompetent and unpleasant to listen to, and Billy deserves to be fucking embarrassed. This is Teargarden level shithousery. Take it down Billy boy. Lock it in the vault.

Forgotten Child · 11-29-2022, 06:30 AM

It's ok, I think.

The quiet guitar intro subs promising, but then the song happens

TheAlter · 11-29-2022, 06:37 AM

"“It’s one of those pain in the rear end songs where I probably rewrote the song about five different ways and Howard Willing… kept telling me “this is a good song, keep after it””

Fuck you very much Howard

Forgotten Child · 11-29-2022, 06:41 AM

It has a few Zwan elements. It reminds me of Yeah!, Come With Me and Heartsong

VoxUpDoc · 11-29-2022, 07:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Forgotten Child

It has a few Zwan elements. It reminds me of Yeah!, Come With Me and Heartsong

It reminds of those songs in the sense it says "Billy Corgan" in the writing credits.

Also the 3 worst songs on Mary Star, there.

Imagine listening to this in public.

Forgotten Child · 11-29-2022, 07:11 AM

The robotic voice reminds me of the robotic voice in Come With Me. The backing vocals remind me of the backing vocals in Yeah and Heartsong like in the verse "But heartsongs (heartsongs)" X "but you don't feel (but you don't feel".

brothahi4L · 11-29-2022, 07:26 AM

Fuck this whole project. Synthfuckfacemybutthole

brothahi4L · 11-29-2022, 07:27 AM

There are so many stops and go...annoying fuckfuckfaceyisynthhorray

Forgotten Child · 11-29-2022, 09:48 AM

The second part of the podcast is completely messed up in terms of edition.

But as we were discussing Matt walker the other day, he did some programming on ATUM as well.

MyKeyZ · 11-29-2022, 10:13 AM

Yup... more garbage.

Ram27 · 11-29-2022, 11:06 AM

one of the better soundscapes on the record

that's the first good guitar riff i've heard from SP in ages. vocals nauseate when they come in proper, though i appreciate all the effects on them

oceania-level if not better

BUT still at its core the same boring uninspiring complete fucking drivel he's put out over and over again since CYR. the middle 3-4 mins is the EXACT same complete word salad synth fucking nothing

Ram27 · 11-29-2022, 11:06 AM

he keeps fucking tricking us too, that's what pisses me off. those few seconds of clean guitar, imagine the whole song with that

Ram27 · 11-29-2022, 11:07 AM

i do actually love the first 2 mins with the birds and the synth. i'd almost say evocative

Ram27 · 11-29-2022, 11:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VoxUpDoc

Agree with eviltimeban, except to say the drumming is appalling, and everything else sounds horrible… HORRIBLE. The vox, synths, drums, the way the music stops and starts so he can switch out instruments. It’s incompetent and unpleasant to listen to, and Billy deserves to be fucking embarrassed. This is Teargarden level shithousery. Take it down Billy boy. Lock it in the vault.

jimmy got infected with the same monkey disease where he thinks people want to hear straight quarter note boring ass sample drums

dustrocck · 11-29-2022, 12:53 PM

Well I stepped into an avalanche
It covered up my soul
When I am not this hunchback that you see
I sleep beneath the golden hill
You who wish to conquer pain
You must learn, learn to serve me well
You strike my side by accident
As you go down for your gold
The cripple here that you clothe and feed
Is neither starved nor cold
He does not ask for your company
Not at the centre, the centre of the world
When I am on a pedestal
You did not raise me there
Your laws do not compel me
To kneel grotesque and bare
I myself am the pedestal
For this ugly hump at which you stare
You who wish to conquer pain
You must learn what makes me kind
The crumbs of love that you offer me
They're the crumbs I've left behind
Your pain is no credential here
It's just the shadow, shadow of my wound
I have begun to long for you
I who have no greed
I have begun to ask for you
I who have no need
You say you've gone away from me
But I can feel you when you breathe
Do not dress in those rags for me
I know you are not poor
And don't love me quite so fiercely now
When you know that you are not sure
It is your turn, beloved
It is your flesh that I wear

Joey Goldberg · 11-29-2022, 12:56 PM

"Yeah!" is pretty fucking good for a song called "Yeah!"

BlissedandGone2 · 11-29-2022, 01:03 PM

i find this song a lot less offensive than some of the other tracks from this disaster of an album but it's extra frustrating when there are hints of great stuff that just get completely thrown away. the guitar tone at the beginning of this song and the melody are just lovely.

Joey Goldberg · 11-29-2022, 01:08 PM

guys the members of Zwan have NDAs you haven't signed a contract with Corgan you don't have to go through this anymore!!!

i put on Toy from Bowie (a posthumous release originally recorded around 30 yrs into his career) and it's really good. not every artist wants to shit on their fanbase auditorily (& otherwise) after 30 yrs in "the biz" it's a beautiful thing

paranoid · 11-29-2022, 01:25 PM

guitar tone is very drum and fife.

Caunn · 11-29-2022, 02:00 PM

Like all the other songs, the vocals are sabotaging melody. He makes it impossible to get sucked into a moment. He'll add a word or phrase that disrupts a potential catchy moment, messily gluing parts together. That adds to how boring all these songs are.

And you don't need to do long curves from one note to the other repeatedly in every song ffs..
It all just sounds like he's singing in the shower FOR HIMSELF.

paranoid · 11-29-2022, 02:20 PM

I'm on the fence with this one. I love the intro, the overall vibe, jimmy's drums, ebow, etc. but yes, it's the vocal word salad bit that's getting me. he's talking about the choruses but i really can't find the chorus in this one.. and he's doing that thing where he's using some of the same vocal cadences he's used in recent songs, which is giving the songs a samey kind of feel no matter how differently he produces it.

whoever said it has a new order vibe was right, and that's a big part of what i do like about the song.

T&T · 11-29-2022, 02:33 PM

ok song. will listen a 2nd time once the 2nd act is all released.

Joey Goldberg · 11-29-2022, 02:52 PM

the New Order comparison made me give in & listen

sounds like a Zwan album outtake but with that classic flavorless ATUM production

the irony is that Bill actually did a song with New Order around the time Zwan was a thing, & it's fuckin' great. this is glorified "youth group" shit

houseofglass11 · 11-29-2022, 02:55 PM

Yeah I hear the drum + fife thing with the guitar. He does that little hammer on thing. And the thing about choruses, I couldn’t even tell there was one chorus let alone the multiple different choruses he said were there.

brothahi4L · 11-29-2022, 03:33 PM

After 5 listens i dig this song even with the synths.
I like it. Good start fir act 2 imo

houseofglass11 · 11-29-2022, 03:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brothahi4L

After 5 listens i dig this song even with the synths.
I like it. Good start fir act 2 imo

Oh?

Ten comments back you were all:

““Synthfuckfacemybutthole

There are so many stops and go...annoying fuckfuckfaceyisynthhorray””

LOL

VoxUpDoc · 11-29-2022, 03:41 PM

After 5 beatings I’m really starting to dig this gruel.

TheAlter · 11-29-2022, 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brothahi4L

Fuck this whole project. Synthfuckfacemybutthole

Quote:

Originally Posted by brothahi4L

I like it. Good start fir act 2 imo

AveryLoren · 11-29-2022, 03:57 PM

This is the first podcast I have listened to since the first two episodes leaked. What in the absolute hell is any of this shit? Billy has literally lost his mind. I am a massive nerdy science fiction fan. This shit makes me want to bully nerds.

T&T · 11-29-2022, 04:03 PM

in the podcast, when billy is talking about To Shiela, and how they were in Poland when it was written..
Mat walker went to a holocost concentration camp. and billy coulndn't name it.

ummm how dumb can he be???
Auschwitz is 30 mins away from where they were playing.
did billy really forget the name of Auschwitz?

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11-29-2022, 06:24 AM	#31
VoxUpDoc Apocalyptic Poster Posts: 3,881	Agree with eviltimeban, except to say the drumming is appalling, and everything else sounds horrible… HORRIBLE. The vox, synths, drums, the way the music stops and starts so he can switch out instruments. It’s incompetent and unpleasant to listen to, and Billy deserves to be fucking embarrassed. This is Teargarden level shithousery. Take it down Billy boy. Lock it in the vault.

11-29-2022, 06:30 AM	#32
Forgotten Child Apocalyptic Poster Location: SP, Sao Paulo - Brazil Posts: 4,876	It's ok, I think. The quiet guitar intro subs promising, but then the song happens

11-29-2022, 06:37 AM	#33
TheAlter Apocalyptic Poster Location: hey, motherfucker hey, superstar Posts: 3,284	"“It’s one of those pain in the rear end songs where I probably rewrote the song about five different ways and Howard Willing… kept telling me “this is a good song, keep after it”” Fuck you very much Howard

11-29-2022, 06:41 AM	#34
Forgotten Child Apocalyptic Poster Location: SP, Sao Paulo - Brazil Posts: 4,876	It has a few Zwan elements. It reminds me of Yeah!, Come With Me and Heartsong

11-29-2022, 07:11 AM	#36
Forgotten Child Apocalyptic Poster Location: SP, Sao Paulo - Brazil Posts: 4,876	The robotic voice reminds me of the robotic voice in Come With Me. The backing vocals remind me of the backing vocals in Yeah and Heartsong like in the verse "But heartsongs (heartsongs)" X "but you don't feel (but you don't feel".

11-29-2022, 07:26 AM	#37
brothahi4L Apocalyptic Poster Posts: 1,714	Fuck this whole project. Synthfuckfacemybutthole

11-29-2022, 07:27 AM	#38
brothahi4L Apocalyptic Poster Posts: 1,714	There are so many stops and go...annoying fuckfuckfaceyisynthhorray

11-29-2022, 09:48 AM	#39
Forgotten Child Apocalyptic Poster Location: SP, Sao Paulo - Brazil Posts: 4,876	The second part of the podcast is completely messed up in terms of edition. But as we were discussing Matt walker the other day, he did some programming on ATUM as well.

11-29-2022, 10:13 AM	#40
MyKeyZ Apocalyptic Poster Location: A very stable individual Posts: 1,690	Yup... more garbage.

11-29-2022, 11:06 AM	#41
Ram27 dumb Location: $8.6 million embezzled funds Posts: 11,368	one of the better soundscapes on the record that's the first good guitar riff i've heard from SP in ages. vocals nauseate when they come in proper, though i appreciate all the effects on them oceania-level if not better BUT still at its core the same boring uninspiring complete fucking drivel he's put out over and over again since CYR. the middle 3-4 mins is the EXACT same complete word salad synth fucking nothing

11-29-2022, 11:07 AM	#43
Ram27 dumb Location: $8.6 million embezzled funds Posts: 11,368	i do actually love the first 2 mins with the birds and the synth. i'd almost say evocative

11-29-2022, 12:53 PM	#45
dustrocck Demi-God Posts: 494	Well I stepped into an avalanche It covered up my soul When I am not this hunchback that you see I sleep beneath the golden hill You who wish to conquer pain You must learn, learn to serve me well You strike my side by accident As you go down for your gold The cripple here that you clothe and feed Is neither starved nor cold He does not ask for your company Not at the centre, the centre of the world When I am on a pedestal You did not raise me there Your laws do not compel me To kneel grotesque and bare I myself am the pedestal For this ugly hump at which you stare You who wish to conquer pain You must learn what makes me kind The crumbs of love that you offer me They're the crumbs I've left behind Your pain is no credential here It's just the shadow, shadow of my wound I have begun to long for you I who have no greed I have begun to ask for you I who have no need You say you've gone away from me But I can feel you when you breathe Do not dress in those rags for me I know you are not poor And don't love me quite so fiercely now When you know that you are not sure It is your turn, beloved It is your flesh that I wear

11-29-2022, 12:56 PM	#46
Joey Goldberg Minion of Satan Location: andy dick NAKED Posts: 8,227	"Yeah!" is pretty fucking good for a song called "Yeah!"

11-29-2022, 01:03 PM	#47
BlissedandGone2 Minion of Satan Location: You don't play guitar hero if you are a guitar hero. Posts: 6,009	i find this song a lot less offensive than some of the other tracks from this disaster of an album but it's extra frustrating when there are hints of great stuff that just get completely thrown away. the guitar tone at the beginning of this song and the melody are just lovely.

11-29-2022, 01:08 PM	#48
Joey Goldberg Minion of Satan Location: andy dick NAKED Posts: 8,227	guys the members of Zwan have NDAs you haven't signed a contract with Corgan you don't have to go through this anymore!!! i put on Toy from Bowie (a posthumous release originally recorded around 30 yrs into his career) and it's really good. not every artist wants to shit on their fanbase auditorily (& otherwise) after 30 yrs in "the biz" it's a beautiful thing

11-29-2022, 01:25 PM	#49
paranoid Minion of Satan Location: up a tree Posts: 7,521	guitar tone is very drum and fife.

11-29-2022, 02:00 PM	#50
Caunn Pledge Posts: 65	Like all the other songs, the vocals are sabotaging melody. He makes it impossible to get sucked into a moment. He'll add a word or phrase that disrupts a potential catchy moment, messily gluing parts together. That adds to how boring all these songs are. And you don't need to do long curves from one note to the other repeatedly in every song ffs.. It all just sounds like he's singing in the shower FOR HIMSELF.

11-29-2022, 02:20 PM	#51
paranoid Minion of Satan Location: up a tree Posts: 7,521	I'm on the fence with this one. I love the intro, the overall vibe, jimmy's drums, ebow, etc. but yes, it's the vocal word salad bit that's getting me. he's talking about the choruses but i really can't find the chorus in this one.. and he's doing that thing where he's using some of the same vocal cadences he's used in recent songs, which is giving the songs a samey kind of feel no matter how differently he produces it. whoever said it has a new order vibe was right, and that's a big part of what i do like about the song.

11-29-2022, 02:33 PM	#52
T&T Socialphobic Location: montreal Posts: 11,677	ok song. will listen a 2nd time once the 2nd act is all released.

11-29-2022, 02:52 PM	#53
Joey Goldberg Minion of Satan Location: andy dick NAKED Posts: 8,227	the New Order comparison made me give in & listen sounds like a Zwan album outtake but with that classic flavorless ATUM production the irony is that Bill actually did a song with New Order around the time Zwan was a thing, & it's fuckin' great. this is glorified "youth group" shit

11-29-2022, 02:55 PM	#54
houseofglass11 Minion of Satan Location: sleuthing around like a worm Posts: 5,690	Yeah I hear the drum + fife thing with the guitar. He does that little hammer on thing. And the thing about choruses, I couldn’t even tell there was one chorus let alone the multiple different choruses he said were there.

11-29-2022, 03:33 PM	#55
brothahi4L Apocalyptic Poster Posts: 1,714	After 5 listens i dig this song even with the synths. I like it. Good start fir act 2 imo

11-29-2022, 03:41 PM	#57
VoxUpDoc Apocalyptic Poster Posts: 3,881	After 5 beatings I’m really starting to dig this gruel.

11-29-2022, 03:57 PM	#59
AveryLoren Apocalyptic Poster Location: Upside Down Narnia Posts: 1,901	This is the first podcast I have listened to since the first two episodes leaked. What in the absolute hell is any of this shit? Billy has literally lost his mind. I am a massive nerdy science fiction fan. This shit makes me want to bully nerds.

11-29-2022, 04:03 PM	#60
T&T Socialphobic Location: montreal Posts: 11,677	in the podcast, when billy is talking about To Shiela, and how they were in Poland when it was written.. Mat walker went to a holocost concentration camp. and billy coulndn't name it. ummm how dumb can he be??? Auschwitz is 30 mins away from where they were playing. did billy really forget the name of Auschwitz?