Still Becoming Apart

NovaFritz · 03-15-2023, 02:15 PM

Just wanted a shout-out thread for this EP. This CD and Judas O both convinced me that Billy was operating at a deeper emotional level than other rock artists I was listening to. I had the CD until a few years ago but then threw it out. Times change, but I still remember being gripped by its off-kilter darkness.

1 Hope 3:38
2 Blissed And Gone 4:46
3 Apathy's Last Kiss 2:44
4 Mayonaise (Acoustic) 4:31
5 Eye 4:54

Is Hope an Adore era track? Why wasn't it on the deluxe reissue?

ilikeplanets · 03-15-2023, 02:17 PM

Blissed and Apathy are two of my favorite tracks

ilikeplanets · 03-15-2023, 02:18 PM

I like both versions of Apathy's Last Kiss, but like the weirder one better. I don't know which was released on what because for the last 15 years I've only had digital copies of music.

NovaFritz · 03-15-2023, 02:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ilikeplanets

I like both versions of Apathy's Last Kiss, but like the weirder one better. I don't know which was released on what because for the last 15 years I've only had digital copies of music.

2 versions? This I did not know. This track is SD era, right?

ilikeplanets · 03-15-2023, 03:00 PM

I like the second one more! Which I think is the original? Causes some LSD flashbacks

yeah it's SD era, which is obvious after seeing the videos I posted lol. That top version is from the deluxe reissue and the bottom was the Today Single B side.

Cool As Ice Cream · 03-15-2023, 04:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NovaFritz

Is Hope an Adore era track? Why wasn't it on the deluxe reissue?

thought it was a pre-gish song.
and the version on this ep recorded in the SD era.

Cool As Ice Cream · 03-15-2023, 04:21 PM

https://spcodex.wiki/wiki/Hope
It reportedly appeared on an early cassette tape by The Marked, meaning the song predates The Smashing Pumpkins.

http://www.spfc.org/songs-releases/s...ml?song_id=376
Confirmed as an old (1985-86) pre-TSP demo, based on its presence on Marked demo tape.

it's also on PI+friends, so it had to be recorded before that tape was created.
http://www.spfc.org/songs-releases/b...ml?boot_id=199

https://www.smashingpumpkinsnexus.co...cariot-friends
On October 4th, 1994, The Smashing Pumpkins released Pisces Iscariot – a collection of b-side material from Gish, Lull, Peel Sessions, and Siamese Dream. Many of the songs were only available as imports and a select few were previously unreleased. The collection of songs spanned multiple eras and release formats to ******* CDs and vinyl.

A hand-written demo tape titled, "Pisces Iscariot + Friends", was compiled by William Patrick Corgan sometime in 1993 after the supersonic success of Siamese Dream. The cassette features a multitude of additional songs from previous demo tapes, Starchildren, live recordings, and even more unreleased material. Creating yet another grand piece of memorabilia!

http://spfreaks.com/item/pisces-iscariot-friends/
6 : Pre-Pumpkins instrumental track, re-recorded in 1992. It was officially released on the Still Becoming Apart promo.

ilikeplanets · 03-15-2023, 04:45 PM

Makes sense, it doesn't really have an SD vibe, but I was deceived by its inclusion in the reissue. I actually thought it could have been a Gish outtake but I think it's cool that it's pre Pumpkins.

houseofglass11 · 03-15-2023, 04:58 PM

Yeah Hope sounds like pre-Gish for sure. Probably even closer to Marked era.

Rairun · 03-15-2023, 06:02 PM

I hadn't realised Hope sounded like So So Pretty.

NovaFritz · 03-17-2023, 01:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cool As Ice Cream

https://spcodex.wiki/wiki/Hope
It reportedly appeared on an early cassette tape by The Marked, meaning the song predates The Smashing Pumpkins.

http://www.spfc.org/songs-releases/s...ml?song_id=376
Confirmed as an old (1985-86) pre-TSP demo, based on its presence on Marked demo tape.

it's also on PI+friends, so it had to be recorded before that tape was created.
http://www.spfc.org/songs-releases/b...ml?boot_id=199

https://www.smashingpumpkinsnexus.co...cariot-friends
On October 4th, 1994, The Smashing Pumpkins released Pisces Iscariot – a collection of b-side material from Gish, Lull, Peel Sessions, and Siamese Dream. Many of the songs were only available as imports and a select few were previously unreleased. The collection of songs spanned multiple eras and release formats to ******* CDs and vinyl.

A hand-written demo tape titled, "Pisces Iscariot + Friends", was compiled by William Patrick Corgan sometime in 1993 after the supersonic success of Siamese Dream. The cassette features a multitude of additional songs from previous demo tapes, Starchildren, live recordings, and even more unreleased material. Creating yet another grand piece of memorabilia!

http://spfreaks.com/item/pisces-iscariot-friends/
6 : Pre-Pumpkins instrumental track, re-recorded in 1992. It was officially released on the Still Becoming Apart promo.

Huh, cool. I wonder if this is the only Marked song that was remade as an SP song. I guess that by going back to their Goth sound for Adore, this tracks "fits" with Blissed and Gone and the others on the EP.

NovaFritz · 03-17-2023, 01:49 PM

wait, the SP Nexus is still online? Who is paying for it? no updates since 2017

topleybird · 03-17-2023, 02:43 PM

More like Still Becoming a Fart, lol, lmao

topleybird · 03-17-2023, 02:45 PM

Man, I left this in my car's CD player for months, just playing it over and over again, never getting sick of it

It was kind of weird to hear that "normal" Apathy's on the SD reissue, like I'd never imagined they'd written/performed it as a straightforward song and then made a fucked-up version

Pizza Club · 03-17-2023, 03:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NovaFritz

Huh, cool. I wonder if this is the only Marked song that was remade as an SP song. I guess that by going back to their Goth sound for Adore, this tracks "fits" with Blissed and Gone and the others on the EP.

I think Spiteface was pre-SP too. I'll check The Marked stuff I have

e: yup, it was on The Marked demos, dated 1986/10/11

Raskolnikov · 03-19-2023, 12:49 AM

I had no idea Hope was that old. Freakin' wild. Would be a fun one for a Q+A someday with him which would surely get no reply or mockery.

houseofglass11 · 03-19-2023, 01:29 AM

Didn’t the Marked also do an early version of ‘Sun’ that was called ‘Death of a Mind’?

NovaFritz · 03-20-2023, 11:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by houseofglass11

Didn’t the Marked also do an early version of ‘Sun’ that was called ‘Death of a Mind’?

Wow, cool. But was Hope the only Marked song that got a studio treatment or was re-recorded during or after Gish?

NovaFritz · 03-20-2023, 11:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raskolnikov

I had no idea Hope was that old. Freakin' wild. Would be a fun one for a Q+A someday with him which would surely get no reply or mockery.

He'd criticize you as one of the fans living in the past. The fans who want everything to sound like the Marked are almost as numerous as the SD ones.

Cool As Ice Cream · 03-21-2023, 03:42 AM

i'm not really sure how accurate the recording date of hope ('92) is. it could be that someone's guess was the best there was.

i also don't know if anyone ever had a chance to listen to that tape of the marked that included hope, to confirm that it was indeed the same song. i guess not?
but maybe it got confirmed by bc?

03-15-2023, 02:15 PM	#1
NovaFritz Apocalyptic Poster Location: luna Posts: 2,356	Still Becoming Apart Just wanted a shout-out thread for this EP. This CD and Judas O both convinced me that Billy was operating at a deeper emotional level than other rock artists I was listening to. I had the CD until a few years ago but then threw it out. Times change, but I still remember being gripped by its off-kilter darkness. 1 Hope 3:38 2 Blissed And Gone 4:46 3 Apathy's Last Kiss 2:44 4 Mayonaise (Acoustic) 4:31 5 Eye 4:54 Is Hope an Adore era track? Why wasn't it on the deluxe reissue?

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03-15-2023, 02:17 PM	#2
ilikeplanets Braindead Location: Ignore List Posts: 16,237	Blissed and Apathy are two of my favorite tracks

03-15-2023, 02:18 PM	#3
ilikeplanets Braindead Location: Ignore List Posts: 16,237	I like both versions of Apathy's Last Kiss, but like the weirder one better. I don't know which was released on what because for the last 15 years I've only had digital copies of music.

03-15-2023, 03:00 PM	#5
ilikeplanets Braindead Location: Ignore List Posts: 16,237	I like the second one more! Which I think is the original? Causes some LSD flashbacks yeah it's SD era, which is obvious after seeing the videos I posted lol. That top version is from the deluxe reissue and the bottom was the Today Single B side.

03-15-2023, 04:21 PM	#7
Cool As Ice Cream Just Hook it to My Veins! Location: František! How's the foot of your turtle? Posts: 32,549	https://spcodex.wiki/wiki/Hope It reportedly appeared on an early cassette tape by The Marked, meaning the song predates The Smashing Pumpkins. http://www.spfc.org/songs-releases/s...ml?song_id=376 Confirmed as an old (1985-86) pre-TSP demo, based on its presence on Marked demo tape. it's also on PI+friends, so it had to be recorded before that tape was created. http://www.spfc.org/songs-releases/b...ml?boot_id=199 https://www.smashingpumpkinsnexus.co...cariot-friends On October 4th, 1994, The Smashing Pumpkins released Pisces Iscariot – a collection of b-side material from Gish, Lull, Peel Sessions, and Siamese Dream. Many of the songs were only available as imports and a select few were previously unreleased. The collection of songs spanned multiple eras and release formats to ***** CDs and vinyl. A hand-written demo tape titled, "Pisces Iscariot + Friends", was compiled by William Patrick Corgan sometime in 1993 after the supersonic success of Siamese Dream. The cassette features a multitude of additional songs from previous demo tapes, Starchildren, live recordings, and even more unreleased material. Creating yet another grand piece of memorabilia! http://spfreaks.com/item/pisces-iscariot-friends/ 6 : Pre-Pumpkins instrumental track, re-recorded in 1992**. It was officially released on the Still Becoming Apart promo.

03-15-2023, 04:45 PM	#8
ilikeplanets Braindead Location: Ignore List Posts: 16,237	Makes sense, it doesn't really have an SD vibe, but I was deceived by its inclusion in the reissue. I actually thought it could have been a Gish outtake but I think it's cool that it's pre Pumpkins.

03-15-2023, 04:58 PM	#9
houseofglass11 Apocalyptic Poster Posts: 4,803	Yeah Hope sounds like pre-Gish for sure. Probably even closer to Marked era.

03-15-2023, 06:02 PM	#10
Rairun Apocalyptic Poster Posts: 1,060	I hadn't realised Hope sounded like So So Pretty.

03-17-2023, 01:49 PM	#12
NovaFritz Apocalyptic Poster Location: luna Posts: 2,356	wait, the SP Nexus is still online? Who is paying for it? no updates since 2017

03-17-2023, 02:43 PM	#13
topleybird Janis Jopleybird Location: Let me see you do the booty hop. And now make the booty stop. Now drop, and do the booty wop. Posts: 6,254	More like Still Becoming a Fart, lol, lmao

03-17-2023, 02:45 PM	#14
topleybird Janis Jopleybird Location: Let me see you do the booty hop. And now make the booty stop. Now drop, and do the booty wop. Posts: 6,254	Man, I left this in my car's CD player for months, just playing it over and over again, never getting sick of it It was kind of weird to hear that "normal" Apathy's on the SD reissue, like I'd never imagined they'd written/performed it as a straightforward song and then made a fucked-up version

03-19-2023, 12:49 AM	#16
Raskolnikov Apocalyptic Poster Location: California Posts: 2,089	I had no idea Hope was that old. Freakin' wild. Would be a fun one for a Q+A someday with him which would surely get no reply or mockery.

03-19-2023, 01:29 AM	#17
houseofglass11 Apocalyptic Poster Posts: 4,803	Didn’t the Marked also do an early version of ‘Sun’ that was called ‘Death of a Mind’?

03-21-2023, 03:42 AM	#20
Cool As Ice Cream Just Hook it to My Veins! Location: František! How's the foot of your turtle? Posts: 32,549	i'm not really sure how accurate the recording date of hope ('92) is. it could be that someone's guess was the best there was. i also don't know if anyone ever had a chance to listen to that tape of the marked that included hope, to confirm that it was indeed the same song. i guess not? but maybe it got confirmed by bc?