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02-19-2021, 01:53 PM | #121 |
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Trent has categorically denied that for 20 years. I'd definitely side with him over Manson, especially considering Manson's whole shtick is being an edgelord and Trent is on the record saying he's a piece of shit back then.
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02-19-2021, 02:05 PM | #122 | |
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Just adding to what you said, that yes, everyone reacts differently to trauma, and once those panic pathways are activated, the brain tends to go straight back to them when similar situation recur in adulthood. This is why people who have been sexually traumatized tend to repeat their trauma. Then assholes like Bill Maher make idiotic claims like "its not rape if it happened multiple times". In addition to the fight or flight response, people in these sorts of situation frequently enter a dissociated state, which FMRI scans confirm correspond to basically zero brain activity outside of the reptilian brain stem. For everyone besides reprise who probably already knows this, there's a book called The Body Keeps The Score by an MD-PhD who runs a trauma center in NY with hundreds of citations and studies showing that complex PTSD effects millions of people from combat veterans to sexually abused minors who enter frozen or submissive states when confronted with sexual aggression or other triggers. It's literally a non-voluntary bodily reaction that takes years of therapy to deprogram. Rape victims frequently sympathize with their abusers when faced with an implied threat of violence, and it's a choice between an awful thing and a marginally less awful thing. Submit to the rapist or risk worse violence. Or your heat getting shut off in the winter. None of this is just a matter of opinion. This stuff is well known in the field of psychology which is rapidly changing as we speak. |
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02-19-2021, 02:08 PM | #123 |
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Also victims tend to blame themselves for not going with the "fight" or "flight" responses even though it quite literally is not a matter of choice if they've already been conditioned to freeze or submit, especially as children, which is directly pertinent to the discussion at hand.
I'm sure many of you are familiar with panic disorder - feelings of uncontrollable fear or detachment in extreme situations. Now imagine someone consciously reinforced that panic over many years to the point that your mind essentially detaches from your body or even compartmentalizes the experience under a totally distinct personality in order to cope with the intolerable horror of it all. |
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02-20-2021, 11:32 AM | #124 |
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02-20-2021, 11:38 AM | #125 |
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I didn't read the entire thread (obviously) but there was a multiple page letter sold in an auction by the son of Anton Lavey from MM. It could be edgelord writing or it could be cocaine psychosis but he writes about how he has voices in his head
probably just a drugged out idiot scribbling in a diary but worth a mention https://www.invaluable.com/auction-l...-c-2294d5a9c7# |
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02-20-2021, 11:39 AM | #126 |
Virgo
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to add: judging from the handwriting he was wasted
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02-20-2021, 04:00 PM | #127 |
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I get the feeling that Manson likes to LARP as a tortured madman, when really he's just a drunken bum.
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04-15-2021, 07:58 PM | #128 |
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I've never had it happen where someone is revealed to be such a piece of shit that it made me incapable of enjoying their art, but apparently this did it. MM wins
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04-15-2021, 08:31 PM | #129 |
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It's harder to separate the art from the artist when somebody's "art" is literally just biographical documentation of all the horrible shit they like to subject people to.
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04-15-2021, 08:31 PM | #130 |
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Also less necessary when the art is edgy middle-school shit.
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04-15-2021, 09:38 PM | #131 |
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Right. I guess I just never paid enough attention to get that, although I never would have said MM seemed like a nice or upstanding person. I'm not like a huge fan but still, some songs come up randomly on Spotify sometimes since I have some "Liked" and I just can't deal with them being on.
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05-26-2021, 08:12 PM | #132 |
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05-26-2021, 08:14 PM | #133 |
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those spooky kids demos are still *chefs kiss*
daisy is one of the most fun, creative guitar players of all time |
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05-27-2021, 03:05 AM | #134 |
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05-28-2021, 12:14 PM | #135 |
Shut the fuck up!
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he going to jail
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05-28-2021, 01:16 PM | #136 |
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for spitting on stage? like belly?
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