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05-13-2021, 01:25 PM | #31 |
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Yeah but SP is superior in every aspect to Foo Fighters, and I think we go a bit overboard on this Dave Grohl being a great musician stuff. Dude can play instruments but he can't even write anything near a good acoustic song, while Billy had written like one hundred good ones by 1993. Plus Dave's treatment of Goldsmith and Stahl was way worse than anything Billy did.
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05-13-2021, 01:49 PM | #32 | |
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To become a great touring band you have to cut out the amateurs. It sucks personality wise, but they weren't great players. You can see who it payed off for in the end. Billy should have never teamed up with Mike, Nicole, Lisa, Jeff, Ginger at his and Jimmy's level. Stuff like that is what separates Dave from Billy. Plus hiring real artists and professionals. Do you think Dave would ever work with a Linda Strawberry? |
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05-13-2021, 02:02 PM | #33 |
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The saddest part about Billy and the band to me is that he is a musical genius but cant get out of his own way. His execution is all wrong and he makes really awkwardly stupid decisions. He desperately needs a real producer and a soundboard (be it a band or confidant and not whoever he contentiously references as SP world) to bounce ideas off of.
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05-13-2021, 02:14 PM | #34 | |
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05-13-2021, 02:41 PM | #35 | |
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05-13-2021, 02:59 PM | #36 | |
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Yeah FF have accomplished a lot more as far as charts are concerned but in the past 15 years it's been more about Dave Grohl's personal brand of the middle aged guy you'd have a beer with than the bland AM rock radio they put out. |
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05-13-2021, 03:03 PM | #37 |
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05-13-2021, 03:09 PM | #38 |
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It's not even remotely surprising or outrageous that the Foos are getting inducted. SP will probably never get inducted. No one gives a shit. The rock and roll hall of fame is a corporate museum that tries to institutionalize an art form that at its core was originally about pissing people off and making them uncomfortable because boys and girls could shake their butts together to it. The very idea of a hall of fame for people who screech on electric instruments and yell into the microphone while the crowd jumps around like apes is ridiculous.
Of course the most sterilized consumer-friendly bands are gonna get in, and then once in awhile they'll add someone niche who happens to have enough of a cult following because of the internet to have name recognition to keep up the perceived legitimacy of the institution. SP is not niche enough, or popular enough, to probably ever get in. Who the fuck cares. Who even are the smashing pumpkins. no once cares. |
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05-13-2021, 03:11 PM | #39 |
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05-13-2021, 03:15 PM | #40 |
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Beck will get in before SP for sure. Seriously no one gives a flying fuck about smashing pumpkins. To the public they are like an interesting asterisk at the end of the sentence of 90s alternative rock.
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05-13-2021, 03:18 PM | #41 |
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That's for sure. If SP disbanded for good in 2000 they would probably make it.
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05-13-2021, 03:19 PM | #42 |
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When you are inevitably inducted into the Rock Hall, who do you want to induct you?
“I don’t envision it happening. so…” Comedian John Mulaney thinks SP’s absence is proof the R&R Hall of Fame is anti-Chicago. “It is anti-a-lot-of-things. Particularly metal.” |
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05-13-2021, 03:27 PM | #43 |
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I don't know, every time the band releases new material Billy still gets interviewed by a lot of mainstream outlets. Plenty of sites reviewed Cyr. I wouldn't say the band is forgotten about. Billy is just Billy at the end of the end of the day and not always the best at making friends.
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05-13-2021, 03:44 PM | #44 | |
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05-13-2021, 04:36 PM | #45 | |
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05-13-2021, 04:37 PM | #46 |
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Dave basically gets a free pass for shit that people rip Billy apart for. I talked to Stephen Brodsky from Cave In one time, they had toured with FF in the early 2000’s. He said behind the scenes Dave is not the cool bro he portrays to everyone.
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Grohl still played half the tracks on There is nothing left to lose. Difference is Taylor Hawkins was just humble enough to deal with it. That said, maybe it's time to accept that people that get to such high levels of fame for so long have to be self-centered primadonnas. And they have to be it in a Dave Grohl way, not in a WPC way. Last edited by TheAlter : 05-13-2021 at 04:59 PM. |
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05-13-2021, 05:09 PM | #48 |
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I still don't get how FF got so big. How the heck did they fill up Wembley and get everyone to sing along to Best of You? Nothing wrong with it but still...
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05-13-2021, 05:17 PM | #49 | |
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Edit: plus, they have no contenders. |
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05-13-2021, 05:34 PM | #50 | |
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05-13-2021, 06:32 PM | #51 |
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Sp dont deserve hall of fame. They had 4 good years ...and that was it...
Havent played a role since 2001, neither on the radio, nor anywhere else in the music biz... Jesus, those sad machines freaks who still thing bolly is the messiah... cyr proved the world that they still rock the charts, stadiums, radios and tv shows...even reviewers are making jokes about crogan |
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05-13-2021, 06:34 PM | #52 |
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SP definitely deserves to be in, their music is simply too good and too unique to not be. Plus they were front and center in the culture when they made their classic albums.
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05-13-2021, 06:54 PM | #53 |
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They wrote iconic music, had a truly rebellious nature (what rock music is built on), worked very hard on their craft and they inspired generations of people. To me they most assuredly deserve the recognition. Billy has just soured people minds since they fell from grace.
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05-13-2021, 07:45 PM | #54 |
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vs why are we even debating this? everyone loves Dave - he's just a nice guy and even if it's a little cheesy - that unrelenting positivity is inspiring |
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05-13-2021, 08:11 PM | #55 |
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Haha except it should be the kiss guy vs the Angie guy
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05-13-2021, 09:09 PM | #56 |
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tldr; Billy's legacy is tarnished, Grohl's isn't
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05-13-2021, 10:38 PM | #57 |
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surely since dave is putting effort into being a super nice guy to fans, he is trying to be that guy....? of course he's going to be more chill backstage with a dude from another band on the bill. of course immediately post-Nirvana he felt insecure and shitty about being a frontman but already having drum parts written but wanting the band to be the best it could be around LP2
FF and SP are different units with different goals. they both tour arenas |
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05-14-2021, 02:26 AM | #58 |
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The complete lack of regard for the people he was talking to...he’s standing there babbling his nonsense shit and all of a sudden he’s gone lmfao
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05-14-2021, 04:27 AM | #59 |
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