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03-07-2021, 02:17 PM | #61 | |
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03-07-2021, 03:09 PM | #62 |
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and oligaga and clitonions
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03-07-2021, 05:48 PM | #63 |
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I really liked Zwan when they were this moody "we're over it" band. They had a great dynamic and attitude. Then Mary Star of the Sea comes out and everything is saccharine. Biggest switch up I think the Wild man has in his career.
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03-07-2021, 06:54 PM | #64 |
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What’s amazing to me is WPC has been using the “contemporary methods” and “finding new energies” schtick to justify his production and vocals for... twice as long as the original band were active.
At what point of failing to have a commercial hit or a positive fan response does he not think “duh, maybe my vox and production are part of the problem?” Instead he namecalls critics ‘zombies’ and doubles down like nobody listening to the band is fucking aware of what the previous records sounded like. |
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03-07-2021, 07:56 PM | #65 |
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Billy is a conundrum in that sense as he craves idolization and attention like a heroin junkie but will bury his legacy further in the ground before he turns ship.
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03-07-2021, 09:28 PM | #66 |
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at least jimmy just did actual heroin
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03-08-2021, 01:46 AM | #67 |
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Yeah i am like bolli... i change my mind regularly... cyr is aahahhahahha..... i still like purple, telegenix , tears, .birch....the rest is dreck
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03-08-2021, 04:37 AM | #68 | |
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& In the resulting months, I neglected reading much from here. Just looking at this list... I only see 2.5 good albums. The rest is like some weird reverse bad dream, where your punishment is that the things you love will come back. Just bland and strumming. Generic. Quiet. Meh. (Think Arrested Development but it's Ed Helms and not Bateman) My personal #1 of those albums would be Zwan. Had he not realized he HAD to get sole writing credit and then sabotage the album... This album would have been amazing. It made no sense that there was Zwan 1 2 3 and that all of the great songs from each era were just missing. Zwan is still Jimmy at his truest artistic zenith, in regards to alt rock. But that list and resulting discussion is why I always come back here. |
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03-08-2021, 06:25 AM | #69 | |
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Maybe with the MCIS sequel he's giving fans what they think they want but I wouldn't at all be surprised if it's 33 happy acoustic + synth songs about enjoying summer. And then he feigns surprise that fans don't enjoy this "natural progression" from the MCIS and Machina sounds. |
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03-08-2021, 06:57 AM | #70 | |
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03-08-2021, 09:32 AM | #71 |
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Mogwai's number 1 record is the pinnacle of a career built on a string of solid albums. They've got dedicated fans everywhere. I just heard Hungry Face used in a documentary about Libya.
Willie P made all the wrong choices and now ironically it's those choices that have made SP a nostalgia act. Namecalling fans "zombies" but when it's the Tame Impala dude oh yeah of course thank you! Let's talk about Siamese Dream! Smh |
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03-08-2021, 10:07 AM | #72 | |
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03-08-2021, 10:31 AM | #73 | |
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But even scoring a hit at this point, he'd have to admit the last twenty years have been pish. I don't think he has an OG Pumpkins album in him, and I don't think he wants to produce MCIS pt 3. He's just saying whatever to try and get press attention for the new record. He'll put it out and it'll be the same style and quality as all zombie SP stuff, and he'll continue to blame those who prefer his older work for not getting it, take whatever profits he gets from touring. I no longer think it's about scoring a hit or even living up to the legacy of the band, it's about keeping the denial going for as long as it can pay out - and removing anyone from his circle who threatens the delusion. |
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03-08-2021, 11:47 AM | #74 |
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A freak anomaly for sure but i feel they've really cemented their reputation among the "record store day" public. Almost all people i know who are into physical LPs are into Mogwai, too.
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03-08-2021, 01:06 PM | #75 |
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Of course it can be. Check their UK chart positions, the last few records apart from the soundtrack stuff have steadily charted in higher positions. They have built a very loyal fanbase who will still buy physical media.
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03-08-2021, 06:27 PM | #76 |
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Mogwai stopped expanding their sound around Mr. Beast and have since settled into putting out comfortable records at a steady pace. Nothing they've done since Mr. Beast strikes me as exciting or interesting; it all sort of just repeats the same dynamics with different songs/melodies. It's not interesting, but it's good.
Billy tries to create a whole new idea of the band every time he gets in the studio, and acts like each record is going to be some big breakthrough. It never is. It's a very, very different approach, and while neither SP or Mogwai are bands I expect to see at the top of an albums chart in 2021, it's not shocking at all that the Mogwai approach is the one that saw success. Last edited by LoveIsSuicide42 : 03-08-2021 at 06:32 PM. |
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03-08-2021, 07:30 PM | #77 |
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Outside of Billy’s vibrato vocals potentially killing the entire album, I’d also assume that the album just won’t have a lot to say that normal people can connect with. Mellon Collie tackled love and loss—pretty universal themes. Machina was essentially the retrospective final-word of the Pumpkins, which at least long-time Pumpkins fans could find something interesting about. For this last sequel, I have my doubts about it not being long-winded and hyper vague and just generally impossible to relate to for people of any age.
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03-08-2021, 07:37 PM | #78 |
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Billy should release instrumental versions of his albums.
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03-08-2021, 09:23 PM | #79 | |
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So not only will MCIS 3 have +33db dry vibrato vocals, it'll also feature absolutely non-sensical lyrics to go with it. |
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03-08-2021, 09:28 PM | #80 |
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That said, it's almost admirable that someone could seriously release lyrics like these
You are a cypher or fallacy On which I torched an August field So take bitter season, devil's roots If you grieve forth what's left to us To soldier on thus for crimson tide Or tender trust |
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03-08-2021, 10:03 PM | #81 |
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it's really insane cause surely having a wife and kid gives him normal people experiences to write about
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03-09-2021, 04:20 AM | #82 | |
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It doesn’t spoil the tracks for me, but like his producing, he seems to be doubling down on his “poetry”. If someone tells Billy Corgan he isn’t good at something, you can bet your ass he’s willing to flush his talents down the toilet in pursuit of continuing to be very bad at that thing. |
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03-09-2021, 04:59 AM | #83 |
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It's interesting as there was such a marked swing from Monuments ultra simplistic 3 min pop lyrics to mega dense thesaurus vomit
Really hope he pulls it back, it's a pretty valid criticism that a lot of the new stuff seems to be more of a personal challenge to how many unique words he can use rather than a desire to express anything heartfelt and personal. Sometimes it works OK but the strike rate is pretty low |
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03-09-2021, 06:16 AM | #84 |
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i'm kind of wondering like....he's literally been doing this 30 years, how exhausted of guitars would he be? i've only been playing 5 years so of course i want more rock...
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03-09-2021, 06:32 AM | #85 | |
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03-09-2021, 07:31 AM | #86 | |
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And there's also doing what you do best. Billy is at his best when he's cranking out riffs and countering those riffs with soft dreamy interludes. Everybody knows that. He knows that. There's guitar playing on those first few albums that still stuns me to this day. I'm sure he hasn't lost that ability, as he has remained a professional musician. Sure, he can make decent music in a different way (Adore) but fundamentally it comes down to the traditional use of the instrument. There's some things you don't get bored of, especially if you're good at them. ;-) |
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03-09-2021, 08:15 AM | #87 | |
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Of course he'll rehearse the old songs for the tour but that's pretty much it. He said in his Q&A that he doesn't even keep electric guitars at home, or something like that. |
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03-09-2021, 09:54 AM | #88 | |
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Besides most big artists keep their instruments in rehearsal studio spaces, and if they are valuable instruments, in the right environment. I'd be surprised if he doesn't have an acoustic guitar lying around. |
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03-09-2021, 10:09 AM | #89 |
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But even scoring a hit at this point, he'd have to admit the last twenty years have been pish. I don't think he has an OG Pumpkins album in him, and I don't think he wants to produce MCIS pt 3. He's just saying whatever to try and get press attention for the new record. He'll put it out and it'll be the same style and quality as all zombie SP stuff, and he'll continue to blame those who prefer his older work for not getting it, take whatever profits he gets from touring. I no longer think it's about scoring a hit or even living up to the legacy of the band, it's about keeping the denial going for as long as it can pay out - and removing anyone from his circle who threatens the delusion.[/quote]
Well said....he just cannot write a great album. He was lucky enough being of of those dominating alternative rock in the 90s. But we wont see a great vomeback or old sound...it will repeat itself. Synths, stupid lyrics, voice up front, dry and static production. |
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03-09-2021, 10:30 AM | #90 | |
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