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Old 08-15-2006, 03:28 AM   #1
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Question How much sleeplessness does it take to be qualified as an insomniac?

I've got 4 hours of sleep in the last 24, and that's about average for me. Does this make me an insomniac, can I get help?

 
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Old 08-15-2006, 03:35 AM   #2
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margaret thatcher supposedly functioned on 3-3½ hours of sleep a night

 
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Old 08-15-2006, 03:40 AM   #3
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but she didn't show any single sign of being a human being either, so i don't think benjamin should feel at ease just because of the information you just gavadvn

 
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Old 08-15-2006, 03:45 AM   #4
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Quote:
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I refuse to believe people who make up words

 
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Old 08-15-2006, 03:46 AM   #5
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that's commendable.

 
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Old 08-15-2006, 03:54 AM   #6
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ah, but one can "function" and still be an insomniac! this is a quality of life issue.

 
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Old 08-15-2006, 03:55 AM   #7
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as long as you can shit and eat, life is fine.

 
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Old 08-15-2006, 03:57 AM   #8
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I generally only get about four or five hours of sleep per night at most. I'm pretty sure insomnia is officially classified as less than four hours per night. It'd have to be at least a few days to qualify as insomnia versus just having trouble getting to sleep.

 
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Old 08-15-2006, 04:33 AM   #9
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As far as I'm aware people sleep in roughly 3-4 hour REM cycles, with 10-20 minutes at the start of each cycle until you actually enter REM.

That being the reason why 6 hours sleep is considered the recommended minimum for functioning healthily, and 8 hours is generally considered a good nights sleep.

I would have though therefore that anything between 4-6 hours isn't that much more effective than 3-4, since you are interrupting a sleep cycle. Sometimes if I'm getting up early to go on holiday or something, and I've only had about 3-4 hours sleep, I function better than on other days when I've had about 5 hours and woken up in the middle of a deep sleep, and just wandered about feeling like a zombie for hours.

I've not really got a point. I would get to the doctor's if it's seriously affecting your ability to function in everyday life. At the end of last year it came out that for 3 years of my mum being on HRT, she was getting roughly 3 hours sleep a night. For 3 years. At the end of it she was getting panic attacks and was really not herself for a few months and had to get teh drugz to help.

 
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Old 08-15-2006, 05:15 AM   #10
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The Doctor in Fight Clubn said it cant kill you.

 
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Old 08-15-2006, 05:24 AM   #11
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My "normal" sleep pattern is to stay awake for 24 hours and then sleep for 6

 
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Old 08-15-2006, 12:39 PM   #12
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I usually sleep in to catch up on all my sleep. But it usually takes me 1-5 hours to actually get there.

 
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Old 08-15-2006, 12:44 PM   #13
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http://www.ahbeard.com/info/rem-sleep.htm

Rapid Eye Movement sleep (REM) is the final sleep stage in each cycle, occurring four to five times a night for the average person. During REM sleep the body experiences an increased blood flow to the brain, pulse and breathing. Your body temperature rises, as does your blood pressure. During REM your body is relaxed and dreaming occurs. During the initial REM cycle you are likely to experience your first dream, which will only last about nine minutes.

REM sleep has a significant contribution in facilitating memory storage, retention and organisation. Throughout the day we learn new information, during REM sleep our brains process information that was learnt throughout the day and 'filed' away, so that it is ready for the brain to retrieve the knowledge when it is next needed.

When you are deprived of a long nights sleep, you skip the valuable REM sleep cycles that would normally occur in the early hours of the morning. Omitting these sleep cycles will have a detrimental effect on your memory recall and mental sharpness.

The percentage of REM sleep is highest during infancy and early childhood, drops off during adolescence and young adult hood, and decreases further in older age. Also with age comes the lengthening of the first REM sleep stage. Older people commonly enter REM sleep quicker and stay there longer.

 
Old 08-15-2006, 12:45 PM   #14
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http://www.shiftwork.co.nz/sleeptips.htm

Evaluating your sleep problem and sleep tips


WORKSHOP






Evaluating your sleep problem.

Sleep problems are often caused by a variety things such as physical, behavioural, environmental, psychological, and lifestyle factors. This questionnaire is designed to help you and your health professional identify the factors in your life that will be having an impact on your sleep. Fill out as many of the questions as you can ******* your own thoughts and comments. Highlight the areas that you think are particularly relevant and score through the questions that do not apply to you. This questionnaire can form the basis of a discussion with your health professional and help you to develop your own personalised sleep management plan.

Section 1 Your sleep, health and wellbeing questionnaire.

This is designed to pinpoint what areas of your life may be interfering with your sleep. Use this questionnaire to identify the causes of your sleep problem. You may want to go into some aspects of this questionnaire in more detail with your health professional.

Section 2 Sleep chart.

This can be used to chart your present sleep situation. It can also be used during treatment so that you can see at a glance if you are improving and what you are doing that makes a difference.

Please complete this as fully as you can. Any questions that you do not understand or do not apply leave out. Highlight any questions that you think are relevant in ANY WAY to your sleep problem. Bring this form with you to your appointment.

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Tick the items you would like help with

Getting to sleep Staying asleep

Early morning wakening Snoring

Un refreshing sleep Day time tiredness

Shiftwork Other

HISTORY

How long have you had a sleep problem?

What do you think was the trigger?

Who else in your family has had a sleep problem?

PRESENT SITUATION

The following questions relate to your sleep pattern over the past 4 weeks. Your answers should indicate the most accurate reply for the majority of the nights.

What time do you usually go to bed?

How long does it usually take you to fall asleep?

Are you usually tired at bed time?

Do you have frequent awakenings - if so what times and for how long?

If you wake up in the night what do you do? E.G. get up, have a drink, listen to talk back radio?

What time do you wake up for the day?

Do you wake up feeling refreshed?

Do you wake up to go to the toilet?

Do you have trouble staying awake while driving, eating meals, sitting in meetings?

Do you have a bed partner or room mate?

Does this person say that you snore, breath hold, twitch or jerk legs or have any other sleep disturbances?

When did you last fall asleep easily?

Do you think you get enough sleep? How many hours of sleep do you think need?

BED TIME ROUTINE

How do you usually spend the last half hour before you go to bed?

Do you bring work home with you?

Do you do anything to help yourself fall asleep? E.G. Bath, music, drink, relaxation technique?.

BEDROOM ENVIRONMENT

Do you have a TV or computer in your bedroom?

Do you have curtains?

Are you too hot or cold at night?

Is your bed comfortable?

What posture do you sleep in?

Is your bedroom noisy?

SNORING

Do you snore or hold your breath while sleeping?

SHIFTWORK

Are you or have you ever been a shiftworker? If yes what is your schedule? How long have you been a shiftworker?

PHYSICAL HEALTH

mark the following with n = never o = often f = frequently

Headaches or migraines Palpitations

Digestive problems Allergies

Sinus problems Excessive perspiration

Dizzy Fatigue

Muscle weakness Aches and pains

Lowered immune system causing frequent colds Blood pressure fluctuations

Hot flushes

Do you have any medical conditions? Please specify

What medications do you take?

LIFE STYLE

Do you exercise? If yes please specify

How many cups of coffee per day? How many cups of tea per day?

How much alcohol do you drink a day? Do you smoke? How many?

Do you take any illicit drugs? If yes please specify.

PREVIOUS TREATMENT

Have you had previous treatment for your sleep problem? If so what did you try and how effective was the treatment?

BODY CLOCK TYPE

Are you most productive in the morning, afternoon, or evening?

PSYCHOLOGICAL FACTORS

What causes you stress in your life? Do you have unresolved issues?

What makes you angry? What do you feel guilty about?

Are you a worrier? Are you controlling?

Do you get down or depressed? Are you a perfectionist?

Are you overly critical of self or others? Are you ambitious?

Do you find it hard to relax? Are you aggressive?

Are you passive? Do you get adequate time to yourself?

Are you a ‘peace maker?’ Do you have a good sense of humour?

Do you seek the respect of others? Are you easily hurt?

Do you manage stressful situations well? Do you cry easily?

Do you loose your temper easily? Do you respond well to pressure?

Are you competitive? Are you very tidy?

Can you let your hair down and enjoy yourself?

Have you ever had mental health problems?

LIFE SATISFACTION

Instructions:

Circle the appropriate number 1 being totally un happy and 10 being extremely happy.

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Sleep Chart

To help us gain a picture of your sleep times please draw in as accurately as you can the times you go to bed and the times you are asleep. If you sleep during the day change the word midnight to mid day.

_____ asleep ………..awake

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Some hints to help you sleep better

* Sleep ASAP after the nightshift
* Aim for one block or two blocks uninterrupted sleep per day
* Use black out curtains or eye mask
* Minimise noise - lasting noise such as TV may impair the quality of sleep
* Avoid alcohol - alcohol usually helps people to get to sleep but interferes with the quality of sleep
* Avoid caffeine 2 - 3 hours prior to sleep
* Learn to associate the bedroom with sleep and positive emotions, not TV, wakefulness, worry, trauma, study
* Avoid sleeping pills
* Learn a relaxation technique

SLEEP APNOEA

This is a sleeping disorder characterised by not breathing while you are sleeping. The sufferer may wake up many times in the night and stop breathing for as much as two minutes. Common symptoms ******* excessive day time sleepiness such as falling asleep at any opportunity.

Sleep experts world wide use The Epworth Sleepiness scale as an indicator of this disorder.

You can receive The Epworth Sleepiness scale FREE by emailing fiona@shiftwork.co.nz and write the words Epworth Sleepiness Scale in the body of the message.

Telephone appointments are available on request.

Contact fiona@shiftwork.co.nz to arrange a time.

 
Old 08-15-2006, 12:47 PM   #15
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I sleep like a baby.

 
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Old 08-15-2006, 12:50 PM   #16
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i would edit that last post and take all the numbers out since it's all spaced out and shit, but i don't feel liike it now

 
Old 08-15-2006, 12:51 PM   #17
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my ears won't stop ringing

 
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Old 08-15-2006, 01:00 PM   #18
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ringing in the ears could be an infection, or you could just be listening to music really loud
my uncle had ringing in his ears, and was a typical man refusing to go to the doc, but then he had serious balance problems and got hurt pretty bad so he had to go. i think it was a really bad infection, and all the vertigo was making him sick to his stomach.

 
Old 08-15-2006, 02:52 PM   #19
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Let's just post the entire contents of wikipedia in here and make it a general thread

 
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Old 08-15-2006, 03:04 PM   #20
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Quote:
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I sleep like a baby.

Screaming and crying and pissing yourself every 15 minutes?

 
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Old 08-15-2006, 05:15 PM   #21
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forget kristin's clusterfuck of a post. in psychology, an insommiac is really anyone who's sleep patterns interfer with their everyday activites. if this small amount of sleep doesn't really affect you then i guess its not a big deal. it is small though. considering you've just asked for help, seek it. medications work as do relaxing techniques and things of that nature.

 
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Old 08-15-2006, 05:20 PM   #22
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Quote:
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ringing in the ears could be an infection, or you could just be listening to music really loud
my uncle had ringing in his ears, and was a typical man refusing to go to the doc, but then he had serious balance problems and got hurt pretty bad so he had to go. i think it was a really bad infection, and all the vertigo was making him sick to his stomach.
they aren't really ringing, i was just trying to taunt dean_r_koontz in retaliation for his well placed jab in another thread

 
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