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Old 06-24-2022, 08:58 PM   #1
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Default Liftoff choruses

love these.

what's the secret? is it the chord progression alone?

all the songs that i can think of are:

Ava Adore
Perfect
Everlasting Gaze
SIYL
HMM

 
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Old 06-24-2022, 09:01 PM   #2
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chorus pedal

but i'm not sure about chord/key change

 
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Old 06-24-2022, 09:01 PM   #3
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too dumb for that

 
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Old 06-24-2022, 09:34 PM   #4
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good thread, bad list

 
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Old 06-24-2022, 09:41 PM   #5
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Age of Innocence
JELLYBELLY lifts crazy at the end not only due to production but also due to brilliant writing
This Time
TEG
I dunno I lost interest

 
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Old 06-24-2022, 09:47 PM   #6
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WHERE ARE THE FUCKING CHORUSES

ALL YA SONGS, THEY GOT NO CHORUSES!


 
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Old 06-25-2022, 12:08 AM   #7
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Everlasting Gaze probably the perfect example of this

Absolutely transcendent move from the verse to chorus

I don't even care about the song but just to hear that change is a wowee moment

 
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Old 06-25-2022, 12:14 AM   #8
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has anybody written anything critically about this video? i'm finding it much more curious now that i'm watching it closer

 
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Old 06-25-2022, 04:01 AM   #9
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I think it's a great video, lots of nice edits. Plus MADM is fucking coool.

 
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Old 06-25-2022, 04:22 AM   #10
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has anybody written anything critically about this video? i'm finding it much more curious now that i'm watching it closer
1. Bolly and Jummy both dressed in black vs. Iha and Molly in white (=symbol of death).

2. frequently cutting between "teh illusion" and "behind the curtain" with digital glitching occurring mostly over the transitions = Bolly going talking to God

3. smashing guitars = rock is dead. throwback to 1991. leaving scorched earth

4. strangers walking around the set seemingly unaware of the music video taking place = "I'm casting my pearls before swine anyway"

 
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Old 06-25-2022, 12:29 PM   #11
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4. strangers walking around the set seemingly unaware of the music video taking place
yea these parts are what really struck me

 
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Old 06-25-2022, 12:30 PM   #12
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I dare say the "lift off" is even stronger in live versions

 
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Old 06-25-2022, 09:48 PM   #13
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has anybody written anything critically about this video? i'm finding it much more curious now that i'm watching it closer
literally their best video and one of their best songs.... the fact that your average netpho can't get over the acapella bridge proves that theres still a lot of growing up to do in TSP fanbase

 
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Old 06-25-2022, 09:50 PM   #14
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the secret of the liftoff chorus is in the production... extra elements/layers are added and often in the case of ram's examples, ambiance enters which adds and airiness to the chorus as opposed to the drier verses

 
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Old 06-25-2022, 10:02 PM   #15
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WHERE ARE THE FUCKING CHORUSES

ALL YA SONGS, THEY GOT NO CHORUSES!

"no do this crank and get back in the booth!

 
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Old 06-26-2022, 09:14 AM   #16
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I think it's a great video, lots of nice edits. Plus MADM is fucking coool.
Gonna go with a potentially unpopular opinion here, but Melissa's underboob in this video is hotter than D'arcy's nips during the Adore era (plus Kenny Aronoff kind of ruined the aesthetic of that era).

 
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Old 06-26-2022, 02:13 PM   #17
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WHERE ARE THE FUCKING CHORUSES

ALL YA SONGS, THEY GOT NO CHORUSES!

aaaaaahhhhahahahahahahahahahahahaha

 
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Old 06-26-2022, 02:13 PM   #18
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the secret of the liftoff chorus is in the production... extra elements/layers are added and often in the case of ram's examples, ambiance enters which adds and airiness to the chorus as opposed to the drier verses
NO THEY COULD DO IT LIVE TOO

 
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Old 06-26-2022, 10:40 PM   #19
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add the batman song to the list

 
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Old 06-26-2022, 10:41 PM   #20
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i wonder if there should be a concurrent "cyber-metal" thread

 
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Old 06-26-2022, 11:39 PM   #21
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Your supposed to sing higher on the chorus

That how u make ‘em pop a bone or whatever. Wet their pants, etc

All i knows it a long way to the top if u want to rock and roll

 
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Old 06-27-2022, 04:18 AM   #22
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I dare say the "lift off" is even stronger in live versions
I can't tell if you're joking cuz that transition always sounded so hamfisted to me whenever they played it live. They just pound on through the riff as hard as possible and without the added keyboard parts or whatever it is it just sounds like dry assrape

 
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Old 06-27-2022, 05:25 AM   #23
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Your supposed to sing higher on the chorus

That how u make ‘em pop a bone or whatever. Wet their pants, etc

All i knows it a long way to the top if u want to rock and roll
That's what the kidz want.

 
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Old 06-27-2022, 08:12 AM   #24
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Sometimes, a song will go up a step in key, but I don't think most pop/rock songs do this between chorus and verse. They more often do it for that final, extra amped-up chorus ("Man in the Mirror").

Sometimes, it's just a matter of the chorus being louder and having a faster tempo than the verse. I think that is likely the case in most of these songs. I don't think Corgan uses key modulation a heck of a lot.

Though I haven't sat down and looked at the notes to verify.

 
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Old 06-27-2022, 09:20 AM   #25
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strangers walking around the set seemingly unaware of the music video taking place
Billy feels he's lost the attention of The Youth because "everyone hated Adore" or w/e, but look how they're coming back and sitting down with their wallet chains and big pants and shit because they're playing The Music of Today now

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3. smashing guitars
Billy big mad that he can't play his twee little Garson piano Adore stuff any more and he's all like "IS THIS WHAT YOU WANT?! IS THIS WHAT YOU WANT FROM US YOU DUMB MOTHERFUCKERS???? IS IT??? WELL EAT IT!!!!!!! EAT IT, SHITHEADS!!!!!! FUCK YOU TOO, CEILING TILES!!!!!!! I WANT TO GO BACK TO MY HARPSICHORD AND BANJO AND ALL THAT SHIT AND I'M REALLY FRUSTRATED"

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literally their best video
They said there'd be worse to come when Roe v Wade got overturned but I wasn't expecting it to come in the form of opinions that make me want to kms

 
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Old 06-27-2022, 12:23 PM   #26
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Thirty Three and Ava Adore are my fav of the videos

 
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Old 06-27-2022, 12:26 PM   #27
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literally their best video and one of their best songs.... the fact that your average netpho can't get over the acapella bridge proves that theres still a lot of growing up to do in TSP fanbase
You have the worst opinions about everything. The acapella bridge is embarrassing. I literally cringed the first time I heard it and have skipped that part ever since. The chorus of that song is good though.

 
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Old 06-27-2022, 12:48 PM   #28
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They said there'd be worse to come when Roe v Wade got overturned but I wasn't expecting it to come in the form of opinions that make me want to kms
Am I just getting old? Am I going to start voting for candidates who want to tax the unhoused or burn peaceful protesters at the stake or something? Is the TEG video being someone's favorite maybe just something I need to make peace with if I don't want my soul to wither away? Should I fondly recall the videos for Today, Rocket, Tonight Tonight before settling into a meditation pose and thinking "It's good and cool for someone to prefer the one where Billy is prophetically making wild semaphore-signal gestures at a fisheye lens while standing on a floor that looks suspiciously like a green-screen setup they ran out of money for. I am unclenching my jaw and embracing my intuitive wisdom"?

 
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Old 07-02-2022, 03:52 AM   #29
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ram - the songs you mention are mostly ones that have the verse in a minor key with heavy emphasis on the 1 chord, and then the chorus starts with the relative major key's 1 chord (the 3 chord in the minor key).

Ava Adore - F minor, chorus goes to the relative major (G#) and starts with the G# chord.
Everlasting Gaze - C# minor (or whatever the fuck down tuning it's in), to E major.
SIYL - Bb minor, to D major.

HMM dos a similar thing but with a key change too - C# minor, to A major

not sure what you mean with perfect though to be honest, the verses and chorus sound the same to me. always thought it was a pretty crappy same sounding song all the way through.

 
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