California sues automakers over global warming

[Nimrod's Son]

Fucking idiots. Stop pissing away our state money on useless lawsuits

http://www.wired.com/news/wireservic...?tw=wn_index_4

Calif. Sues Carmakers: Emissions


SAN FRANCISCO -- California filed a global warming lawsuit on Wednesday against Ford Motor, General Motors, Toyota and three other automakers, charging that greenhouse gases from their vehicles have cost the state millions of dollars.

State Attorney General Bill Lockyer said the lawsuit filed in U.S. District Court in Northern California was the first of its kind to seek to hold manufacturers liable for the damages caused by their vehicles' emissions.

The lawsuit also names Chrysler Motors, the U.S. arm of Germany's DaimlerChrysler, and the North American units of Japan's Honda and Nissan.

The lawsuit charges that vehicle emissions have contributed significantly to global warming and harmed the resources, infrastructure and environmental health of the most populous state in the United States.

Ford deferred comment to the Alliance of Automobile Manufacturers, an industry group which could not immediately be reached. The other automakers had no immediate comment.

Lockyer, a Democrat, said the complaint states that under federal and state common law the automakers have created a public nuisance by producing "millions of vehicles that collectively emit massive quantities of carbon dioxide."

Carbon dioxide emissions and other greenhouse gases have been linked to global warming.

The lawsuit comes after California passed legislation supported by Republican Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger that requires the state to reduce emissions of greenhouse gases by 25 percent by 2020. California was the first state to mandate a reduction of greenhouse gases.

California has also issued rules to force automakers to cut tailpipe emissions from cars and trucks. Enforcement of those rules is being delayed by litigation from automakers.

http://blog.wired.com/cars/#1560246

The lawsuit adds that the automakers contributed to a variety of planetary woes including reduced snow pack, coastal erosion, increased ozone pollution, impacts on wildlife, and wildfire risks.

As much as I'm all for cleaning up global warming (and drive a hybrid), spending millions on legal fees for a lawsuit that has zero chance of being successful is a big waste of resources. If Mr. Lockyer has issues with the amount of emissions, take it up with the California Air Resources Board that sets the regulations not the companies that comply with them. This is no tobacco-type lawsuit of deception. Plus, even though there is consensus on global warming, quantifying the damage done just from autos won't wash in court.

What's next? Why not also sue the power companies? And individuals too -- I mean there are people who keep the windows open while the heat is on, which adds to global warming too.

If I were a taxpayer in California I'd be pissed at wasting funds with this lawsuit. Solving global warming is a long-term process that requires new regulations and advances in technology, not a lawsuit about prior actions.

[CrabbMan]

Any publicity is good publicity.

[Mayfuck]

That or Californians can stop driving so many damn cars.

[ella]

follow mayfucks example, ride a scooter.

[Nimrod's Son]

Originally Posted by Mayfuck

That or Californians can stop driving so many damn cars.

So then the state should sue the citizens.

[homechicago]

California is too much of a mess. That lawsuit is insane.

[redbull]

semen releases greenhouse gases

solution: move porn studios to russia

[homechicago]

and anyway, isn't california spinach the cause of an e coli outbreak? is the global warming lawsuit trying to mask the spinach woes?

[Nimrod's Son]

No, this is right before the elections, so my guess is it's to distract from the clean energy bill that Arnold just signed

[Mayfuck]

Originally Posted by ella

follow mayfucks example, ride a scooter.

[Starla]

I hate californians but I love california.

[CrabbMan]

Originally Posted by To Starla

I hate californians but I love california.

Oh chill out man, what'd a californian ever to do you?

[Kanan Road]

All our "problems" are due to the lack of border enforcement.

[Nimrod's Son]

Originally Posted by Kanan Road

All our "problems" are due to the lack of border enforcement.

No, but a hell of a lot of them are.

[gurr8]

Has Arnold ever expressed regret for his part in bringing America the civilian Hummer? Has he ever apologized for owning seven Hummers?

What a fucking hypocrite.

[Nimrod's Son]

why should he apologize for that? and how many do you think he drives at one time?

[RopeyLopey]

Originally Posted by gurr8

Has Arnold ever expressed regret for his part in bringing America the civilian Hummer? Has he ever apologized for owning seven Hummers?

What a fucking hypocrite.

how does it feel waking up every morning with thoughts that you're a part of the game as well? I mean selling the cars/global warming for living. Do you go to church?

[gurr8]

Originally Posted by RopeyLopey

how does it feel waking up every morning with thoughts that you're a part of the game as well? I mean selling the cars/global warming for living. Do you go to church?

I've been doing it for over a year now and to be honest I thought it was going to bother me; it doesn't at all. I guess it helps that my customers, for the most part, are not interested in the really powerful engines. I live in a mostly lower-middle-class government town and we sell 10-1 Caravans and Calibers to big fancy Rams and Durangos. Besides, if I didn't sell them then someone else would. It's not like I have a magic power over people.

I go to church almost every Sunday, but I don't take a Hummer.

[Eulogy]

Originally Posted by Kanan Road

All our "problems" are due to the lack of border enforcement.

Originally Posted by Nimrod's Son

No, but a hell of a lot of them are.

haha god

old politics threads are the best

[killtrocity]

Originally Posted by Nimrod's Son

No, but a hell of a lot of them are.

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e18/neo313/gUkPW.jpg

[redbreegull]

one more time for posterity

[jczeroman]

I am all for this. In my opinion, this is the best way to handle this whole issue. Well, ideally it would be a class-action lawsuit rather than the State of California, so I empathise with the "waste of tax money" argument, but this is probably the best we can hope for in terms of looking for quantification of any damages which emissions might be causing.

[Order 66]

well said

[dean_r_koontz]

the planet is warming, not cooling. i wonder how the global warming enthusiasts are going to explain away that little fact.

[john's ego]

Originally Posted by jczeroman

I am all for this. In my opinion, this is the best way to handle this whole issue. Well, ideally it would be a class-action lawsuit rather than the State of California, so I empathise with the "waste of tax money" argument, but this is probably the best we can hope for in terms of looking for quantification of any damages which emissions might be causing.

so is taxation still slavery?

[MyOneAndOnly]

it is a sad commentary on the legacy of the founders of this great nation that what began with a concensus that the States needed an effective form of federal government to guarantee the rights of individuals has deteriorated on the right into an almost religious belief system that dictates that all government is inherrently evil.

[The Omega Concern]

You need to shove some Thomas Jefferson down your piehole, up your asshole, through your pores and maybe some of that will make its way to your brain.

is that an actual quote T.J. said before he raped some slaves?

[MyOneAndOnly]

Originally Posted by The Omega Concern

You need to shove some Thomas Jefferson down your piehole, up your asshole, through your pores and maybe some of that will make its way to your brain.

you need to take your antipsychotics. they'll make you a more social person

[MyOneAndOnly]

I don't hate you Omega. Your posts are entertaining, but the obvious effort that you must put into it away from these boards is kind of scary.