best Gossamer?

Adult Head · 07-02-2013, 03:36 PM

have only really listened to the rock am ring version; really like the spacey/mellow parts, really don't like uli wankery

please advise

Adult Head · 07-02-2013, 03:37 PM

http://www4.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/13449712.jpg

Brisk · 07-03-2013, 02:58 PM

Used to listen to this all day back in the day.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CUAu08RmmA

Adult Head · 07-03-2013, 03:01 PM

goddammit, brisk

whywontyoulistn · 07-03-2013, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Adult Head

really don't like uli wankery

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brisk

Used to listen to this all day back in the day.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CUAu08RmmA

This is the "official" version from "If All Goes Wrong":

redbull · 07-03-2013, 03:02 PM

Rock am Ring version is the best. close second would be 7/30/07, and the 20th anniversary versions are pretty good too

whywontyoulistn · 07-03-2013, 03:08 PM

Grand Rex?

http://archive.org/details/tsp2007-05-22.mbho.flac16

redbull · 07-03-2013, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by whywontyoulistn

Grand Rex?

http://archive.org/details/tsp2007-05-22.mbho.flac16

these versions are pretty cool. I think the first four shows of the tour it was done in a different, higher key

BurtSampson · 07-03-2013, 06:08 PM

Man remember how much cooler the MCIS era Silverfucks were compared to Gossamer? Gossamer was just silly ass guitar wankery.

themadcaplaughs · 07-03-2013, 06:28 PM

Only one I ever listened to with any regularity was from the revival show in Paris. Any of the 20th Anniversary Tour ones were good though, when it was taken back to a more reasonable length.

paranoid · 07-03-2013, 11:26 PM

The 20th anniversary versions are on a whole different level from the rest.. Any of those performances I would recommend.

slunken · 07-04-2013, 01:21 AM

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Originally Posted by BurtSampson

Man remember how much cooler the MCIS era Silverfucks were compared to Gossamer? Gossamer was just silly ass guitar wankery.

gossamer is seriously the old man "know this road like the back of my hand" version of silverfuck i don't see how anyone can fall for this.

slunken · 07-04-2013, 01:22 AM

and transmission//rock on are the missing links

slunken · 07-04-2013, 01:23 AM

heavy metal machine works because he can tease a million songs into it and that's why silverfuck worked as well

slunken · 07-04-2013, 01:23 AM

these are live songs we are talking about here

stumpycat · 07-05-2013, 12:52 AM

For me Silverfuck was all about JACKBOOT!!

What's weird about the HMM > Rock On > Once in a Lifetime etc etc etc. is that it came in the middle or maybe about 2/3 of the way through the concert. The live energy to that series seemed pretty strong though, and not just endless wankery.

I really like Gossamer as a song, but not as an extended jam. It would be cool just as a slightly long-ish song but without the ridiculous self-indulgent interludes.

redbull · 07-05-2013, 07:23 PM

i think gossamer is one of the only times the self-indulgence worked in SP2...HMM was atrocious on those tours

RenewRevive · 07-05-2013, 07:28 PM

Glass and the Ghost Children sucked ass too.

redbull · 07-05-2013, 07:35 PM

yeah that was pretty painful. totally killed the 07 show I saw. surprisingly United States was phenomenal

themadcaplaughs · 07-05-2013, 08:03 PM

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yeah that was pretty painful. totally killed the 07 show I saw. surprisingly United States was phenomenal

In true SP fashion, Billy started the show I went to in 2007 (Atlanta) with an acoustic set. Even the one song he played that was well known ("Disarm") got a lukewarm response, but when the band kicked in to "United States" the place went fucking nuts. It reminded me of how he said the United Center show started with a slow energy, and erupted when "Glass' Theme" started.

Regardless, "United States" is a beast of a song and has been the highlights of the shows I've seen in 2007 and 2013. Too bad it was so severely neutered in the studio.

stumpycat · 07-06-2013, 01:03 AM

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Originally Posted by redbull

i think gossamer is one of the only times the self-indulgence worked in SP2...HMM was atrocious on those tours

Oh, I was not referring to HMM during any SP2 or SP3 era show to be clear. Gossamer was one of the best songs ideas to come from anything post SP1 though. A little epic prog rock, a little classic metal...nice. That shit had real dynamics. It would be perfect cut of its most excessive/unnecessary bits but otherwise left intact as a fairly long song. for a proper recording.

RenewRevive · 07-06-2013, 07:54 AM

it'll never happen. they played the song so often there simply must be a studio run-through , at the very least but i am confident we won't hear it.

redbull · 07-06-2013, 08:24 AM

yeah if it was in fact titled F# stomp at one point then it was definitely tracked during zeitgeist per that picture of the whiteboard

themadcaplaughs · 07-06-2013, 10:31 AM

Billy mentioned on Facebook that there are recordings of it with him and Jimmy dating back to around the time the band started touring again.

RenewRevive · 07-06-2013, 12:28 PM

right? well, never say never. thinking about this though: what happened to Tulips and She Says from QaOS? no cleaned up demo of either has appeared on the reissue bonus discs. could it be that no better quality source exists or Billy and co didn't think the QaOS versions were up to polishing up any further? i'm puzzled as they both appear well-developed songs worthy of reissue inclusion. any ideas?

stumpycat · 07-07-2013, 03:09 AM

I don't have any doubt that Gossamer exists properly recorded somewhere. It's way too well thought out to not have been...

(Two other songs like that which come to mind instantly are Jackboot and STP.)

redbull · 07-07-2013, 05:10 AM

we've had have studio recordings of jackboot and stp for at least a decade....

stumpycat · 07-07-2013, 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by redbull

we've had have studio recordings of jackboot and stp for at least a decade....

Mmm-hmm. And that's exactly why I think Gossamer also exists in the studio form somewhere...

Adult Head · 07-08-2013, 03:21 AM

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Originally Posted by MacGyver

No way bro this is def the best version out there

just scowling around

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07-02-2013, 03:37 PM	#2
Adult Head Ownz Location: L13 official member Posts: 690	http://www4.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/13449712.jpg

07-03-2013, 02:58 PM	#3
Brisk Ownz Posts: 555	Used to listen to this all day back in the day. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CUAu08RmmA

07-03-2013, 03:01 PM	#4
Adult Head Ownz Location: L13 official member Posts: 690	goddammit, brisk

07-03-2013, 03:02 PM	#6
redbull Immortal Location: like liutenant dan i'm rollin' Posts: 21,016	Rock am Ring version is the best. close second would be 7/30/07, and the 20th anniversary versions are pretty good too

07-03-2013, 03:08 PM	#7
whywontyoulistn Ownz Posts: 739	Grand Rex? http://archive.org/details/tsp2007-05-22.mbho.flac16

07-03-2013, 06:08 PM	#9
BurtSampson Apocalyptic Poster Location: Billy's Buttcrack Posts: 1,687	Man remember how much cooler the MCIS era Silverfucks were compared to Gossamer? Gossamer was just silly ass guitar wankery.

07-03-2013, 06:28 PM	#10
themadcaplaughs Apocalyptic Poster Posts: 2,628	Only one I ever listened to with any regularity was from the revival show in Paris. Any of the 20th Anniversary Tour ones were good though, when it was taken back to a more reasonable length.

07-03-2013, 11:26 PM	#11
paranoid Minion of Satan Location: up a tree Posts: 7,521	The 20th anniversary versions are on a whole different level from the rest.. Any of those performances I would recommend.

07-04-2013, 01:22 AM	#13
slunken Virgo Posts: 42,781	and transmission//rock on are the missing links

07-04-2013, 01:23 AM	#14
slunken Virgo Posts: 42,781	heavy metal machine works because he can tease a million songs into it and that's why silverfuck worked as well

07-05-2013, 12:52 AM	#16
stumpycat Apocalyptic Poster Location: Fort Worth, Texas Posts: 3,088	For me Silverfuck was all about JACKBOOT!! What's weird about the HMM > Rock On > Once in a Lifetime etc etc etc. is that it came in the middle or maybe about 2/3 of the way through the concert. The live energy to that series seemed pretty strong though, and not just endless wankery. I really like Gossamer as a song, but not as an extended jam. It would be cool just as a slightly long-ish song but without the ridiculous self-indulgent interludes.

07-05-2013, 07:23 PM	#17
redbull Immortal Location: like liutenant dan i'm rollin' Posts: 21,016	i think gossamer is one of the only times the self-indulgence worked in SP2...HMM was atrocious on those tours

07-05-2013, 07:28 PM	#18
RenewRevive Minion of Satan Location: Welcome to the real world jackass Posts: 5,056	Glass and the Ghost Children sucked ass too.

07-05-2013, 07:35 PM	#19
redbull Immortal Location: like liutenant dan i'm rollin' Posts: 21,016	yeah that was pretty painful. totally killed the 07 show I saw. surprisingly United States was phenomenal

07-06-2013, 07:54 AM	#22
RenewRevive Minion of Satan Location: Welcome to the real world jackass Posts: 5,056	it'll never happen. they played the song so often there simply must be a studio run-through , at the very least but i am confident we won't hear it.

07-06-2013, 08:24 AM	#23
redbull Immortal Location: like liutenant dan i'm rollin' Posts: 21,016	yeah if it was in fact titled F# stomp at one point then it was definitely tracked during zeitgeist per that picture of the whiteboard

07-06-2013, 10:31 AM	#24
themadcaplaughs Apocalyptic Poster Posts: 2,628	Billy mentioned on Facebook that there are recordings of it with him and Jimmy dating back to around the time the band started touring again.

07-06-2013, 12:28 PM	#25
RenewRevive Minion of Satan Location: Welcome to the real world jackass Posts: 5,056	right? well, never say never. thinking about this though: what happened to Tulips and She Says from QaOS? no cleaned up demo of either has appeared on the reissue bonus discs. could it be that no better quality source exists or Billy and co didn't think the QaOS versions were up to polishing up any further? i'm puzzled as they both appear well-developed songs worthy of reissue inclusion. any ideas?

07-07-2013, 03:09 AM	#26
stumpycat Apocalyptic Poster Location: Fort Worth, Texas Posts: 3,088	I don't have any doubt that Gossamer exists properly recorded somewhere. It's way too well thought out to not have been... (Two other songs like that which come to mind instantly are Jackboot and STP.)

07-07-2013, 05:10 AM	#27
redbull Immortal Location: like liutenant dan i'm rollin' Posts: 21,016	we've had have studio recordings of jackboot and stp for at least a decade....