Machina reissue a go

[soniclovenoize]

Originally Posted by topleybird

Y'all can I admit something embarrassing here

As mad as I am at Ratbastard Quinto—as we all are, of course—I don't actually have the slightest idea what "baking the tapes" means, like what process is "baking" and what is the audio result of such a thing

Analog tapes deteriorate over time, with the oxide on the tape literally flaking off (which is where the audio information is stored).

"Baking" them is a process which is sorta what it sounds like, in order to stabilize the tapes so that one can get just one more playback of the tape to create a backup.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sticky-shed_syndrome

[Gooch]

Baking the tapes is better than frying them.

Healthier.

But in RBQ’s case, I think he actually ended up frying them

[VoxUpDoc]

I forget, was it M2 got deepfried…?

[topleybird]

Originally Posted by soniclovenoize

Analog tapes deteriorate over time, with the oxide on the tape literally flaking off (which is where the audio information is stored).

"Baking" them is a process which is sorta what it sounds like, in order to stabilize the tapes so that one can get just one more playback of the tape to create a backup

Thank you kindly. I kind of had it in my head this whole time it involved literal baking but I was sorta like, "That can't be right." This is cool.

[TheAlter]

Originally Posted by soniclovenoize

Analog tapes deteriorate over time, with the oxide on the tape literally flaking off (which is where the audio information is stored).

"Baking" them is a process which is sorta what it sounds like, in order to stabilize the tapes so that one can get just one more playback of the tape to create a backup.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sticky-shed_syndrome

Sounds like Basinki's The Disintegration Loops. Maybe everything that's happened to those tapes has been part of a plan. Maybe Bill is really going for that 10/10 from the pitchdorks this time. Maybe.

[Cool As Ice Cream]

Originally Posted by Slurpee

He doesn’t want this one to come out through the tea portal.

i don't want this to be a zuzu's release either.

[soniclovenoize]

I was in the process of revising my Machina reconstruction, so I re-read this entire thread from page 1 to 166.

Holy fuck what a shit show. Fuck this.

[topleybird]

(Tone: sincere) What did you learn from that massive undertaking, other than you should never have done that? Or like what impressions did you come away with (besides what you've already stated)? Was anything actually helpful for your revision?

[soniclovenoize]

Originally Posted by topleybird

(Tone: sincere) What did you learn from that massive undertaking, other than you should never have done that? Or like what impressions did you come away with (besides what you've already stated)? Was anything actually helpful for your revision?

First off, it reminded me that Corgan has already finished this entire thing. Now he/we/whomever is waiting on the label to release it, which is literally out of anyones' hands. I've always wanted to wait until this version came out to get a better understanding of how the songs are supposed to fit together. But I started to get impatient, as some folks reached out to me on social media, trying to get copies of my old reconstruction. But now, I guess I'll wait.

Secondly, I completely forgot all of the little instavids Corgan posted while remixing this thing. Made me appreciate this era more (I've always loved it), but it also gave me pause, to, again, see what this dude has put together for us. But also, confirmed what I already knew in my heart-- Machina is a vast mess of an unfinished album that probably can never truly be finished or even "reconstructed" (to my "standards", which is a whole 'nother thing, I suppose).

Thirdly, I still love that he took two swipes at me, fucking hilarious.

As for my revised reconstruction itself, it didn't change anything, other than second-guessing the versions of the songs I was going to use (which led me to think to wait for this box set, if there'll be different and better versions). Last week I came up with a new track sequence, sort of starting from scratch, ignoring everything I did previously (which in theory, would discard my preconceived notions of the meaning of songs I've had for like 20 years). The result was a revised track order that had some similarities and some differences to my last one, but also fixed a few of the issues I had with it.

But it's almost like a lost cause, I guess. I'll just wait until the box; maybe then do a reconstruction that is a different angle, like a "What if the album was finished with D'Arcy", making it like an Arising version? who fucking knows.

[soniclovenoize]

Also here's some of what I was working on...

Remaster of Innosense... https://drive.google.com/file/d/1E4L...usp=share_link
Remaster of Real Love... https://drive.google.com/file/d/14Na...usp=share_link
Remaster of White Spyder... https://drive.google.com/file/d/15zv...usp=share_link
Remaster of Slow Dawn... https://drive.google.com/file/d/1mPm...usp=share_link

[dustrocck]

good stuff, man I forget how great some of these tracks are.

Slow Dawn is an all-timer.

[soniclovenoize]

Originally Posted by dustrocck

good stuff, man I forget how great some of these tracks are.

Slow Dawn is an all-timer.

Yeah, I finally came around to the song, and I was gonna 1nclude it in my updated thing.

[Ram27]

i loved those behind the scenes vids. never got into in my body until hearing the stems

[MyKeyZ]

Originally Posted by soniclovenoize

Also here's some of what I was working on...

Remaster of Innosense... https://drive.google.com/file/d/1E4L...usp=share_link
Remaster of Real Love... https://drive.google.com/file/d/14Na...usp=share_link
Remaster of White Spyder... https://drive.google.com/file/d/15zv...usp=share_link
Remaster of Slow Dawn... https://drive.google.com/file/d/1mPm...usp=share_link

You ever tried remastering Home? One of my favorite Machina II tracks.

[VoxUpDoc]

How are you remastering these? Sounds great - thanks for sharing!

[T&T]

sequencing M1 and MII into a story is almost like trying to sequence MCIS into a story. Billy's story telling is whack. he fancies himself a tarantino/mNightShamalan

[T&T]

no one would be surprised if some day it's revealed that ATUM is actually a prequel.

[VoxUpDoc]

Originally Posted by soniclovenoize

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1AEY...usp=share_link

Thoughts?

Sounds great. It's a much better track without the interlude, though I thought the cut/fade between the first and second section did seem a little out of time initially, but I don't know how you could blend it better given what you have to work with.

[absof]

Originally Posted by soniclovenoize

I was in the process of revising my Machina reconstruction, so I re-read this entire thread from page 1 to 166.

Holy fuck what a shit show. Fuck this.

Have you done any other albums in the past 8 years or so? I can’t find Albums That Never Were online anymore.

I think I dl’d TMV - Frances The Mute (and Machina obv.)

[soniclovenoize]

Originally Posted by absof

Have you done any other albums in the past 8 years or so? I can’t find Albums That Never Were online anymore.

I think I dl’d TMV - Frances The Mute (and Machina obv.)

http://albumsthatneverwere.blogspot.com/

[Ram27]

it is a fool's errand to care about the story of a record. a record contains good riffs and groovy beats, not plots or characters

[Shadaloo]

Originally Posted by Ram27

it is a fool's errand to care about the story of a record. a record contains good riffs and groovy beats, not plots or characters

A record has whatever its creator decides it needs to have, and that also extends to a narrative. Don't be stupid.

Christ I hate this place more and more every month

[soniclovenoize]

Originally Posted by Ram27

it is a fool's errand to care about the story of a record. a record contains good riffs and groovy beats, not plots or characters

Yeah but it's fun

[soniclovenoize]

Originally Posted by VoxUpDoc

Sounds great. It's a much better track without the interlude, though I thought the cut/fade between the first and second section did seem a little out of time initially, but I don't know how you could blend it better given what you have to work with.

It's rough. Since I was trying to replicate the Arising version with that drum pattern going all the way through Part 2, I had to sample that stray drum beat and time stretch it to match the tempo of Part 2.

[soniclovenoize]

Originally Posted by MyKeyZ

You ever tried remastering Home? One of my favorite Machina II tracks.

I did! There's still this dumb high-end distortion from the source record though, so it's almost impossible to make it brighter without bringing that out, and it's especially audible near the end of the song.

[soniclovenoize]

Originally Posted by VoxUpDoc

How are you remastering these? Sounds great - thanks for sharing!

All the usual tricks like parallel compression, parametric EQ but also Izotope Ozone 10. It depends on the song.

Maybe I should just upload an entire M2 remaster and call it ad day.

[Muzz1e]

Originally Posted by soniclovenoize

Also here's some of what I was working on...

Remaster of Innosense... https://drive.google.com/file/d/1E4L...usp=share_link
Remaster of Real Love... https://drive.google.com/file/d/14Na...usp=share_link
Remaster of White Spyder... https://drive.google.com/file/d/15zv...usp=share_link
Remaster of Slow Dawn... https://drive.google.com/file/d/1mPm...usp=share_link

These sound really good. Would love to hear the whole album via your remaster.

Do you do studio work professionally?

[soniclovenoize]

Originally Posted by Muzz1e

These sound really good. Would love to hear the whole album via your remaster.

Do you do studio work professionally?

Thanks! Yeah, I own and operate an itty bitty studio in Minneapolis.

[MyKeyZ]

Originally Posted by Shadaloo

A record has whatever its creator decides it needs to have, and that also extends to a narrative. Don't be stupid.

Christ I hate this place more and more every month

At least The Wall doesn't need 33 hour long podcasts to explain its concept. The song themselves tell the story... unlike a certain "concept" album. I'm starting to think Billy doesn't know how to make a concept album.

[MyKeyZ]

Originally Posted by soniclovenoize

I did! There's still this dumb high-end distortion from the source record though, so it's almost impossible to make it brighter without bringing that out, and it's especially audible near the end of the song.

Hmm, you ever work with Izotope RX10? I wonder if it can help.